My guest today is Glenna Chance, author of Which Poison Will Change Your Life? While pursuing her career in music in 1988, Glenna was poisoned by an illegal pesticide application. Her life-altering diagnosis of the chronic illness Multiple Chemical Sensitivity catapulted her into a new direction, and she has since battled the physical ramifications and lack of legal parity that often accompany MCS disability. Glenna has worked tirelessly to bring recognition to the illness and support to sufferers. We’ll talk about the the social and political forces that contribute to MCS and many other “invisible” illnesses that are the result of explsure to toxic chemicals in ordinary everyday consumer products. Glenna is a professional musician, environmental consultant and Multiple Chemical Sensitivity advocate and activist. She is the founder and director of MCS Advocacy.com, an agency which advocates for the MCS-disabled and their families who need assistance in finding housing, benefits, nontoxic products and medical and legal resources. She is a proponent of life lived in harmony with the universal truths of nature. MCSAdvocacy.com

 

 

TOXIC FREE TALK RADIO
Which Poison Will Change Your Life?

Host: Debra Lynn Dadd
Guest: Glenna Chance

Date of Broadcast: February 26, 2014

DEBRA: Hi, I’m Debra Lynn Dadd. And this is Toxic Free Talk Radio where we talk about how to thrive in a toxic world. And it is a toxic world out there. There are lots of toxic chemicals in consumer products, in our homes, in our cars, and just walking around outside on the pesticides on the lawn in the park. Every place you go, there are toxic chemicals.

But there are also places where there are not toxic chemicals. We can make our homes into havens of toxic-free living. We can remove toxic chemicals from our bodies. There are lots of people who are doing lots of things to reduce the amount of toxic chemicals in the world. And that’s what we talk about on this show.

Today is Wednesday, February 26th. I’m here in Clearwater, Florida. And today, we’re going to be talking about multiple chemical sensitivity—but not just the illness of multiple chemical sensitivity because this is a particular condition that is the result of toxic chemical exposure, but many, many illnesses are the results of toxic chemical exposures.

This was something I found out when I was writing my latest book, Toxic-Free. I actually studied all the health effects that I could find in a new time. I’ve been studying this for more than 30 years, but I just took a new look at everything. And what I found was that every single illness can be associated with toxic chemical exposure. It doesn’t matter what symptom you have. It doesn’t matter what disease you’re suffering from. All of them can be associated in some way or another with exposure to toxic chemicals.

So, it is affecting everybody in many different ways, even down to the cellular level and down to the level of our DNA and how children will be born in future generations are being affected by toxic chemical exposures today. So, this is something that we all need to be paying attention to.

My guest today is Glenna Chance. Hi Glenna. Hello, are you there?

GLENNA CHANCE: Yup, can you hear me?

DEBRA: Great! I can hear you now.

GLENNA CHANCE: Okay!

DEBRA: She’s the author of a book called Which Poison Will Change Your Life? While pursuing her career in music in 1988, Glenna was poisoned by an illegal pesticide application. Her life-altering diagnosis of the chronic illness, Multiple Chemical Sensitivity, catapulted her into a new direction. And she has since battled the physical ramifications and lack of legal [parity] that often accompany MCS disability.

Glenna, you and I have things in common. I was pursuing my career in music in 1978 when I discovered that I was poisoned by—for me, it wasn’t an illegal pesticide application. It was just the toxic chemicals that I was exposed to in my average American home. I ended up with the same MCS (I shouldn’t say “the same MCS” because I think it turns out in different ways for different people). And we both went on to feel that it was so important to be helping other people to recover from it or not get it in the first place.

So, tell me your story.

GLENNA CHANCE: I also want to say it’s a real pleasure to talk to you after all these years because your books kept me going in the late ‘80s after I was pesticide-poisoned.

DEBRA: Thank you.

GLENNA CHANCE: There wasn’t that much out there at the time. There’s a lot out there now.

DEBRA: Right! That’s why I had to write something.

GLENNA CHANCE: Yeah! It gave me something to work for and work through, seeing that there was another person. And again, to see that we were in a similar profession and situation, that’s another plus.

DEBRA: Thank you. Well, what’s your instrument?

GLENNA CHANCE: Viola and violin.

DEBRA: Oh, wonderful!

GLENNA CHANCE: And what happened at the time was I was in Syracuse, New York. I was playing in the Syracuse Symphony. I was in graduate school full-time and working a full-time, 40-hour office job. People say, “How do you do that?” I don’t remember anymore.

But somebody I guess called an exterminator at that office building (which was in the Civic Center) for no reason really. Somebody had a thought that maybe there were some fleas or paper fleas I think they said. It wasn’t notified, which was against the law. They just came in.

And what they sprayed was diazinon, an organophoisphate, which was clearly labeled never, ever, ever for indoor use.

And I’m again a person that finds out things. My employers couldn’t tell me. I called the exterminator and said, “What did you use?” That’s how I found out. I think a lot of this investigative work is a matter of timing. You have to make the phone calls fast.

One job I had subsequent to that some years later. I was around a Saturday, and they had told me when I applied for the job that they don’t use pesticides in that building, I was there on a Saturday, and here came the exterminator. I ran down and I said, “I need a copy of that receipt of your bill.” They gave it to me, so I could prove, yes, indeed, they did—which of course then they threw me out of the job […] “You can’t work here. You have to leave.” They tell you get up from your desk, take your things and leave. And that means you can’t have unemployment or anything else. You’re just out of a job.

So, that’s what happened to me. I went to see—and this is something that I advise people to do. If something like that happen, forget all you learned, your work ethic and being a do-be (or whatever they used to call it) because that’s what I did. I thought, “Well, I’m supposed to come to work here.” I went the next day, I went for two or three days until I was just sitting in a chair at home unable to breathe, unable to walk, unable to think. And finally, I said, “I can’t do this anymore.”

Which I think is another thing people don’t understand about MCS. They say, “Well, what do you mean? Can’t you just take something? Can’t you just drag yourself in there because there are a lot of tired people?” and I say they’re toxic people. There are a lot of tired people dragging themselves to work every day, but the thing with MCS—and you’ve probably experienced this too—is there comes a point where you just can’t.

DEBRA: Yes, I totally know what that is. And for people who haven’t experienced that, you just can’t function at all.

You can’t even access that part of you that can push you to do something. It’s all down. And I got to that point in my life where I considered that I was disabled because I couldn’t get myself out of bed in the morning on a reliable basis and go do something.

So, I just had to say I’m disabled [inaudible 07:28]. And a lot of people with MCS get to that point because these chemicals are very, very powerful. They’re affecting all of us to some degree in some way. It’s just that some people are more affected more dramatically and to a greater degree and in ways that are more obvious. And sometimes, people are more affected more quickly. And other people are not being affected or they think they’re not being affected, and then 10 years later, boom, they’re down too. It doesn’t matter.

I used to work for an endocrinologist in his office treating people actually with MCS. I was the person who did the test to see what they were sensitive to. And he once said to me that—because my mother had died of cancer. He said, “You have MCS. Your mother had cancer. But it was all the same cause. You were exposed to all the same chemicals. It’s just your body responded differently.”

GLENNA CHANCE: Right! And all disease is is imbalance anyway. You get exposed to something, and you get thrown off. Your body systems get thrown off. So how it manifests itself, as with anything, is the weakest point. We find that in water. If it’s going to come through your foundation, it’s going to find the weakest point there, and it’s going to make a little hole through. So, yeah, whatever your weakest point is, that’s where it’s going to hit you.

DEBRA: It is! And so for people with MCS, it’s an immune system thing. So that would be a person whose immune system would be the weak point in their body. And then, someone else, it would be another area of their body.

They’d get cancer or they’d get heart disease or whatever is going on with them.

But it just has to do with the weak point in your body, but it also has to do with the types of chemicals you’re being exposed to. And different chemicals target different organs in your body.

We need to take a break, Glenna. And when we come back from the break, we’ll go on.

You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. My guest today is Glenna Chance, author of Which Poison Will Change Your Life? She also has a website called MCSAdvocacy.com. We’ll be right back.

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DEBRA: You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. My guest today is Glenna Chance. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd. And my guest today is Glenna Chance. She’s the author of Which Poison Will Change Your Life? and has a service for people with MCS called MCSAdvocacy.com.

So Glenna, you were playing in the symphony. And then you got exposed to pesticides. And then, you became chemically sensitive. How did you get from that point to establishing MCS Advocacy and writing your book?

GLENNA CHANCE: Well, I was very fortunate, I have to say, that the doctors that I had who was actually in Rochestor (and I was in Syracuse) was a clinical ecologist. I want to say that first because, with all the invisible illnesses (whatever invisible illnesses are anyway), there are things that are discounted because nobody takes the trouble to actually do the research and see what’s going on. But they’re life-altering.

Anyway, most of the people that develop MCS or other of these invisible illnesses are really battered around the system. They’re sent to doctors who know nothing about it. They’re sent to psychologists, psychiatrists. They can’t get validation. They can’t get help. They can’t get well.

And so I was very fortunate because the doctor I already was seeing was a clinical ecologist so I at least had validation even though MCS treatment is mostly just avoidance, “Don’t go here. Don’t go there. Don’t work anymore,” which is more easily said than done of course.

It was pretty much out of necessity that I started doing advocacy work because I had to help myself again with not much out there. Your books were out there, there were a few books out there, but not a lot. And also, no Internet, so if you wanted information, you had to go to a library. And when you’re in the throes of debilitating illness, it’s hard to go to a library […] and things like that.

So I had to find out information for myself. And then, as we all do, we have a certain amount of compassion for other people going through the same thing. I tried to get information out there for other people to access. And then, as the Internet was coming along, then I could put something up called a website and do things like that.

I get inquiries from all over the place which is satisfying.

DEBRA: Good!

GLENNA CHANCE: I give them information on how to find a doctor, how to get legal help, and tell them that there are already laws on the books.

We’re not anymore trying to establish MCS as something that hits the parameters ADA law. That’s been done.

People worked long and hard to do that for us. And I think that happened in the early ‘90s. That’s done. So it’s mostly just trying to stand up for yourself and knowing that these things are on the books, knowing that you are covered legally, and that you do have a leg to stand on.

The people that you go to, doctors (unless you get a clinical ecologist), doctors and lawyers and things like that, they’re listening to the mainstream who says it’s not a valid illness, there are no laws, there is no help. And that’s not right.

So, it really helps people when they know, number one, they’re not alone; number two, there are laws to protect them out there already. And they do have a leg to stand on.

DEBRA: Well, that’s very good that you’re doing this because I remember the times when nobody was doing this and people were wondering “Well, where can I get legal help? How can I get social security? I can’t work. How can I…?” It wasn’t recognized as a disability. I remember that. I was a fortunate person that I had family to help me.

And so I wasn’t alone and people believed me. And so when I said that I needed to take toxic chemicals out of my home, I had people to help me. But I know that not everybody is in that situation.

So, I’m looking at your website, and you say that MCS lies outside of the realm of current medical knowledge. I think that more and more though people are recognizing it.

And then, you say, “As with any misunderstood illness, the victims are considered outcasts and are rejected not only by the medical profession, but also by those who administer basic social services.”

And this is an important thing, what you said that I’m about to read. “We are all, for all practical purposes, house-bound. We cannot work. We cannot go to the store. We cannot ride a bus. We cannot go to church, go to school or find housing. There are no services in the community for us. The doctors who can treat us are usually not local.

And they usually do not accept health insurance if we’re fortunate to have a health insurance.”

I mean, this really is the picture of what it’s like to be MCS. When your body has been damaged by toxic chemicals, then really, any chemicals you’re exposed to makes your body react, and you cannot go places where these chemicals are which makes you house-bound. That’s what it’s like. And I think a lot of people don’t understand that.

GLENNA CHANCE: It’s an interesting thing because you go through phases. What I’m doing, what you’re doing—I think you said 30 years of this, and I’m doing a little over a quarter of a century of this. And at first, you go through phrases of “I have to work. I have to try.” And then, you take yourself totally out. That’s one of the reasons I wrote this book, to touch base with my friends and family and colleagues and let them know why I dropped out of sight for decades. I was too embarrassed. I didn’t know what to tell them because nobody understands it.

But then you get to a phase where it’s like I’m just not going to put myself into toxic situations. And I always say I’m so glad. My body must be really functional because it tells me what’s a dangerous situation.

DEBRA: Yes! Yes, yes.

GLENNA CHANCE: Why would I force my body to accept toxins?

DEBRA: I want to stop you right there because I think that this is such an important thing. We do recognize—you and I and other people who are aware of this—when we’re in a toxic situation because our bodies say, “Hey, this is toxic!” I’ve never smoked cigarettes. But when somebody starts smoking cigarettes, what happens? You cough!

Your body says, “No, this is a horrible thing.” And you just keep smoking and smoking until your body doesn’t cough anymore.

But when you go into a toxic situation, you might cough or get a headache. Oh, I need to go to break. But I’ll finish my sentence. You might cough or get a headache or sneeze or space out or whatever. And people aren’t aware of those symptoms.

We’ll talk more about this when we come back. This is Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd. My guest today is Glenna Chance. We’re talking about MCS. We’ll be right back.

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DEBRA: You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd. My guest today is Glenna Chance, author of Which Poison Will Change Your Life?

Glenna, your book is Which Poison Will Change Your Life?. The subtitle is An MCS Survivor’s Eye-Opening View into the Socio-Political Forces Which Make Today’s Invisible Illnesses Possible and Probable.

Now, you have a lot of information in here about toxic chemicals and where they’re found. But I’ve never read another book that talks about the social and political forces that make these illnesses possible and probable. So I’d like to talk more about that aspect of it than talk about where toxic chemicals are in products (because we talk about that a lot).

So, first of all, would you tell us more about invisible illnesses? You gave us a definition earlier, but would you give us some examples of invisible illnesses besides MCS?

GLENNA CHANCE: Oh, well, the ones that people always hear about, chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia. But it extends to things like MS and illnesses that people talk about as more mainstream.

And one thing I’d like to also add about mainstream is that one reason that the so-called invisible illnesses, some of the serious ones—MS, at least they say, “Oh, this is quantitative,” which ours is too by the way. That’s another thing. MS is quantitative. There are quantitative tests for MCS.

Everybody says it’s idiopathic. Well, nothing is idiopathic. Nothing in life is idiopathic. If illnesses were idiopathic, they would just leave it at that, and there wouldn’t be any research done. Nothing is idiopathic.

DEBRA: Wait! Tell us what idiopathic means because I’m sure there’s a lot of listeners who don’t know that word.

GLENNA CHANCE: Yeah! Idiopathic means “arising from no cause.” There’s no known cause for something. Well, of course, there’s always as known cause. You have to look at it scientifically which is what I do in the book. I give quantitative, scientific facts.

But MCS is not a profitable disease.

DEBRA: Well, it’s not something that you take a pill for. They can’t sell you a drug for it.

GLENNA CHANCE: Right, right. We’re not consumers of pharmaceuticals. We’re not consumers of commercial advertising because we can’t purchase or take part in mainstream products and activities. We’re not consumers of the healthcare industry because we can’t use mainstream medicine, we can’t use a hospital because of access violations. You can’t go to a long-term facility. We’re not part of a medical research.

DEBRA: I know! You just kind of have to have this other life that isn’t part of the industrial world in order to survive.

GLENNA CHANCE: The invisible illnesses, sometimes we call them “orphan illnesses” or “orphan diseases.”

One thing I want to emphasize is that the benchmark for illness definition has always been reliable and reproducible tests. And we have that. Medical professionals tell people there are no tests and everything. And they’ve just said that mantra so long, they actually believe in it. And one thing I always say is what is an expert?

They throw the word “expert” around a lot. And what does the word “expert” mean? Who determines that someone is an expert? Who funded the expert? Is the expert improving the human condition or maintaining the status quo?

So, you have to do your research which is what I’ve done in this book a lot. And when you talk about the sociopolitical aspect of it, when you talk about disease, life-altering illness leads to the inability to think critically and logically, and that leads to the inability to learn, and that leads to bad decisions in life, and that leads to skewed life goals, and that leads to violence. So it’s really a social problem. Any illness and disease is a social problem.

DEBRA: I totally agree, I totally agree. Toxic chemicals do affect us on every level. It’s not just a physical thing. It also can affect your emotions. It can affect your ability to think. It can affect spiritual awareness even.

And so it’s not just a physical problem. It’s not just about going to the doctor, but it really affects your whole, entire life.

GLENNA CHANCE: And in our case, or in a lot of people, you had an idea how your life was going to be. I don’t want to say that only MCS people have this big problem or something, anybody with a major illness. But you have this idea how your life is going to be, and then it totally got sidetracked. And so, a lot of the people—this is why people call illness a gift. It sounds trite before you’re ill, but then you find out what that means. Hopefully, you’re coming to a better understanding of the big life picture and everything like that. But still, you’re just left kind of stunned, and even more stunned when you have no support at all, no social support, no medical support, no legal support. You’re just kind of stunned and turning around in circles. And so you figure out what to do with yourself.

DEBRA: Well, that is exactly right. And again, I’ll say that I was fortunate that I had people around me, and I had a doctor who was a clinical ecologist. And where I lived, there were actually three doctors who were clinical ecologists.

GLENNA CHANCE: Wow!

DEBRA: The first one diagnosed me, and then I went and got treated by the second one. And then, I went and worked for the third one. So I was never in an environment where nobody believed me or that the doctor said,

“There’s nothing wrong with you.”

I’m really concerned just on a larger picture that there are so many doctors who don’t recognize the problem not just with MCS, but don’t recognize that toxic chemicals are causing so many illnesses. We still have the normal, standard medical—you know, you go into the doctor’s office, they diagnose you, and they give you a drug. That doesn’t handle it at all. It just doesn’t handle it at all. And you may have fewer symptoms, but you’re not getting to the cause of anything.

GLENNA CHANCE: Well, fewer symptoms in the short run perhaps, but not in the long run.

DEBRA: Well, yeah…

GLENNA CHANCE: …because that’s going to be toxic to your system too, drugs.

DEBRA: But I think that anybody should be able to go to any doctor that’s covered by insurance or however, whatever the system is. But people should be able to go to any doctor and have a correct diagnosis without being poisoned.

GLENNA CHANCE: Mm-hmmm…

DEBRA: And since everybody in the world is being poisoned right now, this is like the number one diagnosis. And doctors can’t even recognize it. They’re not even asking the question.

GLENNA CHANCE: The doctors, we know this—and for people that don’t, well, listen up—the doctors only know as much as they’re taught in their curriculum. And the curriculum in the medical schools are funded by the pharmaceutical companies. So that’s their vested interest. And again, as we talked about, there’s no profit in these illnesses that are caused by poisoning and industrial toxins.

DEBRA: Well, I think that more and more doctors are starting to wake up. On my website, you can go to ToxicFreeBody.com, and there’s a page that says—I think it says “professional help” in the menu. And it lists the types of doctors that you can go to if you think that you need some help with diagnosis and toxic exposure and healing from that.

GLENNA CHANCE: That’s great.

DEBRA: There are doctors who actually do this today, many more than when Glenna and I started.

We need to take another break. You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd. My guest today is Glenna Chance. And her website is MCSAdvocacy.com. She’s the author of Which Poison Will Change Your Life?

We’ll be right back.

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DEBRA: You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd. And my guest today is Glenna Chance, author of Which Poison Will Change Your Life?

Glenna, so what about the political forces that are contributing to this?

GLENNA CHANCE: Oh, yeah. Well, it’s my whole chapter six which I named Hand in Hand in Hand. That’s the one thing about the book. I don’t just say what something is and why it’s bad, but I say how it even came to market. And there are so many in’s and out’s. It’s overwhelming at this point.

Politics and all that stuff, it’s always been like this, people with big egos trying to get profits and things like that. It’s never going to change over humanity. It’s just that now we’re dealing with such poisons that we’re dealing with the very existence of mankind I think. I don’t want to be doom-and-gloom, but…

DEBRA: No, I think we are too. We are!

GLENNA CHANCE: The in’s and out’s, the politics and stuff, it just enforces the social disconnect which is valuing profit over life (human life, plant life, animal life), putting energy in cover-ups instead of accountability, promoting healthcare policies based on a one-size-fits-all fallacy. And that’s a particular point of mine. It’s like you just can’t make everybody conform. Everybody is different. You can’t say, “You have to take…”

Oh, let me just say, I have a great doctor now. Every time I see her, she says, “Let me tell you what’s coming down the pipe, Glenna.” And the last time I saw her, she said, “…with the new healthcare system.” She said, “If you brought your blood analysis numbers in to me, and the government says, you need to be within this parameter, and your cholesterol level, for example, says this, but I know that”—because she’s also a toxicologist—“if I back this up, then I can find this comes from here, and this comes from here, I have a picture of your physical make-up, but the government only has a set of charts. So now, they will say, ‘if your numbers are these, I as your doctor have to prescribe cholesterol-medicine.’” And you have to fill the prescription. If you don’t, I don’t get paid for the medical appointment.

DEBRA: Oh, my God!

GLENNA CHANCE: How wrong is that? Now people are going to fill prescriptions and dump them down the toilet because they’re not going to take them. I won’t do it because I’m a rebel. I would never…

DEBRA: No, I’m not taking it either. And I don’t want to pay for it.

GLENNA CHANCE: Well, I don’t want anything attached to my name saying I did that ever on a record. So these are the kinds of things.

And what I don’t understand about all the political things—well, everything having to do in this society—is these people who are out for profit and just are on the roll no matter what it does to everybody else, what do they think is their future? What do they think they’re going to drink for water? What do they think they’re going to eat for food?

They don’t care about their own children and grandchildren. This is what I don’t get. Are they not asking the questions or do they have some secret plan that we don’t know about? See, I get worried about them. I have to worry about me.

DEBRA: I think they’re not asking the question. I think that they’re not asking the question. I saw a show on TV.

I’m trying to remember the exact name and where I saw it. It was on the History Channel I think. And I think it was called something like The Men Who Shaped America or something like that. And the whole show was about the men who established our industrial age.

One of them was Mr. Rockefeller. If I’m remembering everything right, he was the one that founded standard oil I think it is. But in the beginning, what he was doing was he was selling kerosene, not gasoline because this was before there were even cars.

So, it was being made, the kerosene was being made. And as they were manufacturing it, the gasoline (what we’re now using for gasoline)—I don’t have notes in front of me, so I may be getting some of these wrong, but the idea is here. I think that they were distilling the kerosene. And then, the gasoline was the waste material. And there was a scene where they just showed this gasoline just flowing out over the land because there was nothing to—you know, this toxic stuff is just like going whoosh out from the factory because there were no laws, there were no regulations. And eventually, they started finding uses for all these different byproducts of distilling the crude oil.

But those byproducts of this toxic stuff, instead of going out in the environment, they now go into our consumer products.

And this is where this kind of comes from. I was just looking at this picture and I’m going, well, this is what’s going on. It started out with this one product, and then there were all these byproducts. And then it changed into all these other things. But it’s all about the manufacturer of that product, about somebody saying, “I have kerosene. I have this. I want to make money” and they’re not even asking the question. They’re not saying, “Is this good for the environment?” They’re not saying, “Is this good for health?” They’re not concerned about the welfare of the people that are using their product. They are concerned about the profit.

I think the world would be a very, very different place if everybody who was producing product would say, “What is the effect of this product on the environment? And what is the effect of this product on the health of the customer who’s going to buy it?”

If you just ask those two simple questions, actually answer them, and make the products so that it actually benefits life instead of hurting it, it would be very, very, very different. Some people are doing that. But we still need to have more people doing that.

GLENNA CHANCE: And the thing is the ego is in the money-grabbing. They’re never going to go away. You can turn on a dime overnight and say, “Okay, we can still make the same profit, but without poisoning everybody.”

Obviously, solar, we’ll go solar instead of gasoline or something like that. You could change it overnight, and everybody would still be making profit. So what’s the harm?

DEBRA: I totally agree!

GLENNA CHANCE: Everybody is still working. The big wigs are still making profits.

DEBRA: Yup, yup. It’s just that people aren’t asking that question, that question of “How can we do this in a way that supports life?”

I don’t know the answer of why everybody in the world isn’t thinking that, isn’t asking themselves that, why their conscience hasn’t woken up.

GLENNA CHANCE: I think people were trained to trust people like the government, their elected officials and things like that. They’re still in that mode of trust, and they don’t understand that everybody is being railroaded.

I think a statistic I read the other day was 90% of taxpayers want GMO’s labeled. Ninety percent, but their representatives won’t represent them. I don’t know how you stop a train, you know? I mean, it’s…

But people need to trust their own instinct. It’s very important.

DEBRA: I agree with that.

GLENNA CHANCE: If you say, “I’m sick,” then don’t let somebody tell you you’re not. I think when people start trusting their own instincts and not just believing—you know, everybody is awash in all these media and everything. You can’t get away from it now unless you just don’t have any TV or Internet or something like that. But it’s a combination of all these information, everybody telling you what you think, and everybody’s minds are pickled from being poisoned. They can’t even assimilate actual information. So they’re just drifting along in life hoping somebody will do the right thing. But I don’t know…

DEBRA: Yes. Well, I think that’s a good way to put it, that people’s minds are pickled from the toxic chemicals. I think that that’s true. And I think that a lot of the inability to think, a lot of the inability to learn and all these things is all affected by toxic chemical exposure. I mean, really, just over and over and over, you can see that when people get away from toxic chemicals, they can think more clearly. Wouldn’t you say that that’s a very common thing?

GLENNA CHANCE: Yeah! I think everybody, if people would actually analyze instead of just mindlessly go through their day and say, “Wow! I was in here, and I feel better. Well, let me think about that,” really analyze everything—

It’s like people who get MCS, most of the people can track back and say, “Oh, man! If I look at my whole life, there was this, there was that, there was this. I used to like the smell of paint thinner” or something like that. You know all the points where you were exposed to chemicals. People can usually track that back if they think.

DEBRA: I was thinking the other day about my grandparents. When I would go into my grandfather’s garage, he always had gasoline (like cans of gasoline). And so as a child, I didn’t know what that smell was. I just knew this is my grandfather’s garage. I’d go hang out in the garage with him and be breathing gasoline the whole entire time.

But then when I figured out that gasoline smelled like, I went, oh, that’s my grandfather’s garage. You just don’t even think of these things.

Glenna, we only have about a minute left. Is there any closing words you’d like to give us?

GLENNA CHANCE: I’d like people to remember that the messages that are seen and heard or the ones that become the most ingrained is the norm and the truth in mainstream consciousness. And that’s not necessarily so.

So, you really need to, again, trust your instincts. You know how you feel. Don’t let somebody tell you something that’s contrary to what you know is true about yourself. I don’t know, just start with yourself. You can’t fight everybody. I’m a rebel, but I’m tired of fighting myself. I’ve been fighting for a long time. Try to concentrate on yourself and your own health.

Use facts like I write in the book. It’s absolute scientific facts. It’s irrefutable facts. Use that as ammunition if you need ammunition. Just try to get yourself well, and then try to help somebody else.

DEBRA: Thank you. This is Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd. We’ll be back tomorrow!