Vaccines: Harmful or Necessary?

My guest today is Pamela Seefeld, a registered pharmacist who prefers to dispense medicinal plants and other natural substances instead of prescription drugs. Today we’ll be talking about vaccines. I asked Pamela tim address this subject after seeing a scary commercial on TV trying to get grandparents to get a vaccine so they don’t infect their grandchildren. We’ll discuss the dangers and find out when and if they should be used. Pamela is a 1990 graduate of the University of Florida College of Pharmacy, where she studied Pharmacognosy (the study of medicines derived from plants and other natural sources). She has worked as an integrative pharmacist teaching physicians, pharmacists and the general public about the proper use of botanicals. Pamela is the owner of Botanical Resource and Botanical Resource Med Spa in Clearwater, Florida. www.botanicalresource.com

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TOXIC FREE TALK RADIO
Vaccines: Harmful or Necessary?

Host: Debra Lynn Dadd
Guest: Pamela Seefeld

Date of Broadcast: December 02, 2015

DEBRA: Hi, I’m Debra Lynn Dadd and this is Toxic Free Talk Radio where we talk about how to thrive in a toxic world and live toxic-free. It’s Wednesday, December 2nd. Wow! The year is almost over. It’s Wednesday, December 2nd 2015. And today, we’re going to talk about vaccines, which is something that we haven’t talked about on the show before.

My guest is Pamela Seefeld. She’s on every other Wednesday because she has so much knowledge about drugs and natural alternatives and how things work in the body that we just talk about something new every other week.

She’s a registered pharmacist who prefers to dispense medicinal plants and other natural substances instead of prescription drugs. However, she is a pharmacist. She’s a regular pharmacist. She works in a pharmacy in a hospital and she also works in her natural pharmacy which she owns here in Clearwater, Florida. She works with people all over the country. So if you want to talk to her, you can pick up the phone and call her. We’ll give her number later on the show. But she also is right in the midst of both traditional pharmaceuticals and alternative pharmaceuticals.

So today, we’re going to talk about vaccines with Pamela. Hi Pamela!

Pamela Seefeld: Hi! It’s great to be here.

DEBRA: Yeah, great to have you.

So I asked you to do vaccines as the subject on this show because I was watching television (I do watch television, there’s actually a lot of good stuff on television) and there was an ad for a whooping cough vaccine. It was a very scary ad. It was wanting grandparents, seniors, to get a whooping cough vaccines, so they wouldn’t infect their grandchildren and their grandchildren will die if they got infected.

And then, once that got my attention and we decided to do this show, I saw another one the other night for pneumococcal pneumonia vaccine. I don’t even know what pneumonococcal pneumonia is.

So what is going on now that in addition to these commercials for drugs that make it look either scary or desirable and with all these beautiful music in the background and they tell you all the side effects, that it’s going to kill you, what is going on with advertising vaccines like drugs?

Pamela Seefeld: Well, that’s a good question. What’s happening is vaccines (especially the pneumonococcal penumonia vaccine and the whooping vaccine), there’s a huge a market for these vaccines. So the way that they’re building awareness is by having these ads, these controversial ads that make people all scared. And especially when you’re talking about the whooping cough, it shows the grandparents turning into like wolves as if they’re going to eat their grandchildren. It’s very frightening. It’s basically insinuating that you’re harboring this really dangerous organism and you’re going to kill your grandkids if you don’t do something about it.

These advertising, let’s face it, is meant to motivate people. And if you’re motivated, you’re going to call your doctor and say, “I want this vaccine.”

There’s a lot of money in vaccines. And once the research has already been done and the production is inside the factory, there’s a lot of mark-up. You have to realize you have the pediatric population, they’re all forced to get all these vaccines.

So the adults are an untapped market, right? A certain percentage of the population is pediatric, those people have to get the vaccines.They have no choice. They can’t go to school. That market has already been tapped about. And if you think about it, a lot of people are refusing vaccines for tehir kids, so they have to start looking for somebody else to market to.

And who are they going to market to? The elderly people.That’s an untapped market – and a market that’s very lucrative.

A lot of them have Medicare. Medicare does cover a lot of the vaccines. And even if it doesn’t, there are a lot of retirees that would be willing to shell out the money if there was some sort of a payment that they have to co-pay in order to have these vaccines because they think they’re protecting their family.

DEBRA: Well, tell us what is a vaccine?

Pamela Seefeld: Vaccines, I want to explain something interesting. Vaccines are kind of like homeopathy. Now, homeopathic pharmacy is really what I do. And homeopathy was developed by Samuel Hahnemann in the late 1800s.He was a German doctor. And in the time that he developed homeopathic medicine, they were doing a lot of pretty barbaric stuff in medicine. They were doing leeches and things like that.

He came along and he discovered that like cures like. Basically, when you take a vaccine – this is really important. I use this example when I give a lecture to physicians or to people that are skeptical about homeopathic and the relevance and how well it works. What I’ll do is I’ll mention to them, “Look, people get vaccines all the time and they work. They provide immunity.The reason why a vaccine works is because it has a small amount of causative agent (whatever the vaccine is supposed to be against) that they put in this formula and they give it to you as an injection and basically, they’re inoculating you with a small amount of vaccine.”

What happens is your body makes an immune response to it and that can impart protection where you actually come in contact with the organism.

So that’s how the vaccines work. But I like to think of it as being a good intro into understanding homeopathy. If you don’t believe in homeopathy, you think it’s all bogus, then why are vaccines working? I use that case in point all the time. It makes the people think. They’re like, “Okay, I see what you’re saying.”

I’ll give you an example. In homeopathy, say someone has a lot of histamine and they have rashes and allergies and things, well we treat them with histamine. Low dose histamine is basically inoculating them against it so you don’t have what’s called mass cell degranulation and this massive histaminic release when you come in contact with the cat or the dog or oak trees or whatever they might be allergic to.

So this is a good intro when you think about it. People think, “Well, how would a vaccine work?” it’s exactly the same principles of homeopathic medicine. It’s exactly the same.

DEBRA: So is there any difference between homeopathic medicine and a vaccine?

Pamela Seefeld: Oh, by far…

DEBRA: So what would be the differences?

Pamela Seefeld: With the homeopathic medicine, it’s obviously encompassing a lot of different things. We use plants. We use toxins in some cases, things that work in the body to mimic a certain type of response. When you have a vaccine, all it is is some kind of a carrier fluid and specifically, the causative agent of whatever you’re going against. So say it’s pneumococcal pneumonia, say it’s a whooping cough, say it’s a papillomavirus virus, whatever virus it is, that’s all it contains. It contains nothing else.

And homeopathic remedies, it’s usually a combination of things. Most homeopathic things we use here, I can get injectables, but I don’t use those. They use more of that in Europe. Everything we use here is oral.

DEBRA: Yeah, yeah. So you just put a few drops under your tongue and it’s a very different experience. But what you’re saying is the basic idea of like curing like applies to both.

Pamela Seefeld: It does. And that’s why I like to bring that as an example to your listeners because the people that are listening to this show, they’re going to be possibly more inclined to use homeopathic medicine and use alternatives. I mean,

I’m very busy and I’ve been very successful at doing this and helping people with homeopathics in Europe. In Germany, I know for sure in Germany, they actually cover homeopathic medicines with your health insurance. You can get to the pharmacy, you can get regular medicines or you can get homeopathic and they’ll cover it either way.

So the rest of the world does embrace homeopathy quite a bit. In America, it’s coming around. I think it’s really great because a lot of my clients have done very, very well with taking homeopathic remedies.

But it’s important to know that a vaccine and a homeopathic remedy is kind of somewhat similar as far as their modalities of action. So if somebody doesn’t believe in homeopathic medicine, the best argument to use is that’s how vaccines work.

That’s what a vaccine is, a small amount of a causative agent to elicit a certain type of immune response. It’s important for people to realize that. If you have doubts about homeopathy, you really can’t after you bring that point up for the people.

DEBRA: We’re almost to the break, but tell us what happens in the body when you get a vaccine, the causative agent goes in your body? What happens?

Pamela Seefeld: Your body makes antibodies. Your body sees this foreign entity in the bloodstream and it says, “Oh, my gosh! We need to mount an immune response.” This immune response allows for these antibodies to be formed. So it imparts immunity in that sense. You body thought that it went through an actual infection, but you didn’t.

DEBRA: And so then if you’re exposed to it, say it was a chicken pox vaccine, then if you were exposed to chicken pox, you would not get the chicken pox because you now have an antibody to it?

Pamela Seefeld: Correct! You have antibodies in the bloodstream that are against chicken pox. It’s specific to that strain, you have to realize. But yes, you have impartial immunity.

DEBRA: Great! We need to go to break. But when we come back, well talk more about vaccines with my guest, Pamela Seefeld. She’s a registered pharmacist who prefers to dispense medicine plants and other natural substances. You can go to her website at BotanicalResource.com. You can also call her on the phone. We’ll give her number when we come back.

You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd.

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DEBRA: You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd. My guest today is Pamela Seefeld. She’s a registered pharmacist who also dispenses medicinal plants and other natural substances at her natural pharmacy called Botanical Resource.

Pamela, why don’t you give your phone number so that people know where to call you?

Pamela Seefeld: Okay, very good. You can call me here at my pharmacy. All consultations are free. I would be glad to help you if you have any questions about the medications you might be taking.

The number here is 727-442-4955. That’s 727-442-4955. I would be most honored to help you and your family with any question you might have.

DEBRA: Yeah, if you have a question about a drug that you’re taking, if you want to get off of a drug, if you want to take a natural remedy for something that’s going on in your body, those are all questions that Pamela can answer very well. She’s very highly respected by doctors here in Clearwater, Florida where I live.

How long have we known each other now? A couple of years I think.

Pamela Seefeld: Yeah, yeah. Absolutely! It’s great.

DEBRA: Yeah! Yeah, yeah. And she’s helped a lot of people. I, in fact, first met her because a friend of mine referred her to me.

Anyway, back to vaccines, it seems like that the idea of vaccine itself just sounds very logical. But why are some people against vaccines?

Pamela Seefeld: Oh, this is a good question. What happened is a lot of the controversy really started with Dr. Andrew Wakefield and he is a British physician. He did some studies and published information, the Study in the British Journal of Medicine. He concluded that he looked at these 12 patients and his statistical of analysis of the data showed that autism was the result of the vaccines that were used on these children.

So there’s been lots of controversy about that. He lost his medical license. There are lots of stories as far as what he did to create it. They tried to recreate his data and they weren’t able to do that. So there was a lot of controversy. But really, it started this movement of non-vaccinations for children because people were scared of autism.

We now know that autism in the past was affecting not as many children as it is today. And we look at this – I mean, I don’t have the statistics off the top of my head. But it was like 1 in 56 kids or something – it’s a lot that have some kind of spectrum disorder. They might not have full autism, but they might have some type of spectrum disorder that’s related to some kind of unknown cause and they don’t really know why there’s this high propensity.

We do know that autism is directly correlated with the age of the father and there’s also infections in utero and a lot of other things. It’s the same thing with schizophrenia. We know that now too.

And actually, with schizophrenia, we now know that schizophrenia is directly related to the bacteria you get from your mother. And if you’re missing some of the vaginal bacteria when you’re born (like in a C-section), you’re going to be at much higher risk for schizophrenia. So it might be bacteria as well.

I don’t think all the answers are there quite yet. This is the problem because it’s overshadowed, the vaccine “hysteria” so to speak.

DEBRA: But there are some things in vaccines that are pretty toxic like mercury and aluminum, some other ingredients that might not be a good idea. Whereas the idea of a vaccine might be okay, what about some of these other additives?

Pamela Seefeld: Excipients, yeah. That’s the right word, yeah.

DEBRA: The excipients in there are controversial. And also, too, the fact that so many vaccines are given in such a small period of time.

So when you have children, you’re launching this immune response with a lot of different infectious agents in a short period of time because a lot of times, we get several vaccines in one visits. I understand why they’re doing that. They have a sequence of vaccines that they need to instill to these kids. I understand all that.

I think really what it comes down to is that I don’t think vaccines are going to necessarily be the one that’s going to be labeled as the cause of a lot of these problems. But I think there’s a lot of things going on in children (and even in adults) today that they just don’t know exactly what’s happening. And their cell signalling bacteria, like I said, are going to the front and foremost that we know are being linked to a lot of different diseases, especially colitis.

If you think about colitis, I mentioned schizophrenia. They’re showing that the bacteria that you have can predict whether you’re going to come down with these diseases.

DEBRA: You know, when I was a child (and I haven’t looked up any data to confirm this, I’m just going on my memory), I don’t know when they started requiring vaccines for children to go to school. But when I was a child, I remember that the big health problem for children was polio. They had posters up of kids in braces and all these things. Every child had to get a polio vaccine. I don’t know if it was required by all, but I remembered going to get the polio vaccine. But I don’t remember getting a lot of other vaccines. So, I don’t know what I actually got. I’m sure I got a polio vaccine.

But just in general, are vaccines being overused?

Pamela Seefeld: Well, that’s a good question. Polio actually has been eradicated from the U.S. very much. But we now know that there are hot spots in Afghanistan and in India and in Pakistan. I’m actually in Rotary International and we do a lot of for raising money with Bill Gates Foundation to try and vaccinate these kids in these poor areas because over there, polio is very debilitating. They still had people there being crippled.

So I don’t want to come out against vaccination in itself. I think that the excipients in some people, I would venture to say (and I may be incorrect, but this is my theory and I think I read this from other people), my theory is that the time at which you receive a vaccine, where your immune system is standing at that particular time does effect the type of response it’s going to launch.

And if you have a vaccine and your immune system is having some problems and it’s not working correctly, I think you’re going to have more chances for adverse effects.

And not only that too, talking about adverse effects. I was looking at one study here that they were talking about just Australian immunizations in the course of the year and what the side effects were, they actually had four deaths and they couldn’t directly attribute it to the vaccine. But I’m telling you that we’re talking about the whole country of Australia. It’s a lot of people. So what percentage?

They couldn’t really directly put it to the vaccine, but these people, maybe they had an anaphylactic reaction or something, but they did report causes of death. And the most common side effects are injection site reactions, rashes, fevers, dizziness and light-headedness. And you would expect that these would happen. You expect rashes because they’re probably reacting in a poor manner. And if a person’s immune system is compromised at the time or they have some other issues (maybe like we were talking about the excipients, the other factors in there), they might have a reaction.

DEBRA: Yeah. Yeah, that’s interesting. Well, we need to go to break. But when we come back, I have a question for you about the immune system and vaccine.

You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd. My guest today is Pamela Seefeld. She’s a registered pharmacist who also dispenses natural remedies. She’s on every other Wednesday here on Toxic Free Talk Radio because she has so much information. We’ll be right back!

So, my question is I first got interested in toxic chemicals because I had an immune system problem where toxic chemicals had made my immune system in effective. And so what you said about the condition of the immune system affecting how vaccine might respond in the body is very real to me. And I also know that a lot of toxic chemicals that we’re exposed to in our daily lives can affect our immune systems and damage our immune systems. And then I’m thinking about the excipients in the vaccines adding even more toxic stuff like mercury and formaldehyde and aluminum. It just seems like a whole lot of other factors going on rather than just a healthy body getting just a vaccine.

Pamela Seefeld: That’s exactly right. And what we have to look at is the baseline properties of your own immune system and if it’s suppressed. And this is another theory, I guess, what I’m saying. People are under a lot of stress today. I’m not just saying that just in general. But we know that chronic stress depresses the immune system pretty much a lot.

I’m just trying to think back. When I was little, I think things were a little simpler time. Maybe I don’t want to play Pollyanna here. But I’m just trying to say that today, people have financial problems, a lot more homelessness, a lot more chronic illness. And also too, I might mention, that we have a lot of viruses they’re finding in the blood supply that we didn’t really know existed before. They don’t even have names for them yet.

So there are a lot of other things going on that are affecting our immune system. And chronic stress and chronic depravation of sleep, I think in the past, people slept a lot more, there are a lot of other things that are going on that I don’t know if we can peg it on one particular problem. But you’re exactly right, the chronic exposure to chemicals, toxic chemicals, contaminants in our food and environmental contaminants in the air and in the water are definitely affecting people’s health and they’re probably affecting their immune system.

Actually, what I do, because I have to get the flu shot where I work at the hospital. It’s required. I drink the Body Anew while they’re giving me the shot.

DEBRA: Oh, good for you.

Pamela Seefeld: Yeah! I tell all my clients to do that. You want to do the detox at the same time.

DEBRA: Yeah, I think that that’s a good idea. Somebody else was telling me the other day just in an email, she said, “When

I’m exposed to something, I take…” – and I’m not going to mention what it is because I haven’t researched it. But if she has an exposure, she knows to take something. And so I think that’s a great idea if you have to do something like if you’re forced to take a vaccine.

Now, weren’t you telling me that – what was it about people that are in hospitals, everybody gets vaccinated?

Pamela Seefeld: That’s exactly right. Part of the mandate for the hospital— and I really think it possibly even in ObamaCare, which I could be wrong. What has happened is these vaccines are offered to the patients, everybody gets the vaccine. It’s basically an automatically launched order. The doctor doesn’t even have to order it. It’s an automatic launched order. It’s for influenza vaccine and pneumococcal pneumonia. People are getting these vaccines when they’re in the hospitals.

And a lot of it is all the hospitals in the country get money based on what percentage of the population they vaccinate because while they’re there, they’re kind of like a captive audience. They can get these people all vaccinated before they go out into the communities. This is in the guise of, “Okay, we don’t want them to spread illness. There’d be an influenza outbreak. We don’t want there to be a pneumococcal pneumonia outbreak.”

So it’s kind of like a herd vaccination. That’s what they call it. They’re trying to get as many people as they possibly can. So they try and keep their vaccination rates up I’m sure close to the nineties. I’m not even sure what the benchmark is. But each place will have their own benchmark as far as their goal.

And I know that once they reach a certain threshold of people being vaccinated, there’s a financial incentive involved that is directly paid to the hospital.

DEBRA: Okay! So aside from the polio vaccine when I mentioned earlier many, many years ago, I haven’t been vaccinated for anything. I don’t get flu shots, none of those things. I’m not perfectly healthy. But the things that are going wrong with my body are not things that you can get vaccines for. So, it’s not from lack of vaccines. I usually go through the winter and I don’t get the flu.

But I’m also living in a very non-toxic home and probably control my exposure to toxic chemical as much or more than anybody that I know myself personally.

And so I’m wondering if – what it looks like to me is that vaccines are being used as a way for people to not get an illness instead of all of us doing things that promote health. You see what I’m saying?

Pamela Seefeld: Oh, yeah. No, absolutely. And that would be the ideal situation. But I can tell you just from my personal experience being in pharmacy (as long as I’ve been in pharmacy and also having my alternative pharmacy here) that a lot of people, we know what’s good for us, but we don’t always do what’s right. And a lot of people, they’re not sleeping enough, they’re around sick people, they don’t take care of themselves. Maybe they’re prescribed vitamins or medications, but they don’t take vitamins.

And so really, in the hospital setting and in the community hospital setting, we see the same people coming back all the time. Every month, they’re back or every two weeks, they’re back. They’re the same people coming back because they didn’t take care of their infection or they didn’t care of whatever they’re supposed to do. So this readmission rate, and really, I think the flu –

And I’ll tell you about the flu. I had the flu shot two years ago and I got influenza A and I got the bird flu at the same time from working in the E.R. I was actually in the hospital for two days and I was very sick. So even if you have the vaccine, they’re guessing which strains are going to be popular. And some years, they’re totally off and they really have no idea whether they’re picking the right vaccine excipients to have immunity.

So it’s not that the vaccines are bad. I don’t know if I agree so much with the hospitals putting everybody being vaccinated and I don’t think the patients understands sometimes (but they do need to have consent and everything). But the idea that every person needst to be vaccinated while they’re there is important to the country, but it seems to be that they’re not really thinking about the consquences of the shot when they’re there. [Inaudible 00:34:02] that everybody gets it.

DEBRA: Well, I would just like to say before we go to break that I think that there’s so much attention on vaccines and not enough promotion of doing the things that strengthen your immune system. And then if we were to all learn what those things are and do those things, there would be much less need for a vaccine and we could then choose whether we wanted to have it or not.

But still, having a strong immune system is the thing that really protects you against these things, vaccine or not.

Pamela Seefeld: That’s exactly right. Absolutely!

DEBRA: That’s what we need to be having, strong immune systems.
We need to go to break. But when we come back, we’re going to talk about flu shots. We’ll be right back.

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DEBRA: You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd. My guest today is Pamela Seefeld, registered pharmacist, but she also works with natural remedies, and in fact, prefers them.

One of the things that I found interesting about Pamela because I’ve been talking with her for a couple of years is that she will recommend a drug if she thinks that that’s the right thing to do. But she will also tell you what the dangers are of drugs and she will also find something natural that will heal your body instead of just alleviating symptoms.

So if you want to talk to her, her phone number is…

Pamela Seefeld: 727-442-4955. That’s 727-442-4955.

DEBRA: Thank you. Okay! So, let’s talk about flu shots. We actually did a show I think it was last year or the year before. I have to see how long we’ve been doing these shows. Maybe we’ve only been doing it for a year. But anyway, I know we did one on colds and flu. We talked about flu shots and things that you can do to help your immune system. Remember that show?

Pamela Seefeld: Yeah!

DEBRA: And so I will actually put a link to that show next to the description of this show on ToxicFreeTalkRadio.com so that those two can go together. But in this last segment, let’s just talk about the flu shot as a vaccine.

Pamela Seefeld: Okay, good. The flu shot as a vaccine, like I said, we’re trying to have a large portion of the population be vaccinated. This is the government’s goal, which is try and prevent against the flu. I thought it was kind of interesting. We were talking before prior to the break about what can you do as a personal responsibilty to try and help your body be more acutely aware and be able to launch an immune response. The flu shot is not necessary for a great majority of people.

And really, we know certain things that depress the immune system, lack of sleep, chronic stress, adrenal fatigue. You know the gamut…

DEBRA: Toxic chemicals…

Pamela Seefeld: Exactly! No, toxic chemicals. And during the break, I went and looked on the Library of Medicine. There’s a brand new study that was published concerning the flu shot in the Journal of Epidemics (it’s just coming out this month actually) where they did a 10-year performance looking at influenza and looking at the populations and what puts you more at risk for having influenza.

It looks like the regression analysis shows that somebody, of course, that has a chronic disease (say someone who has COPD or just some kind of chronic disease), they’re going to be more at risk for it because their immune system is already depressed. Being with a child and living with children, being female, smoking and pets at home were predictors that influenza may be a possibility.

But get this. The things that can prevent and help your risk assessment go down and help your immune system (and these were associated with less chance of flu) were participating in sports, walking, bicycling or some kind of locomation, moving around a lot, a person that’s very, very busy.

It’s not even necessarily cardio exercise, but if someone is active and moving around a lot (and let’s just focus on exercise for one second), what happens when we work out? What happens in the body? Well, what happens is these white blood cells, normally, if you were just sitting down, watching TV or on the computer, sometimes, they hang out. And this is just the way I term it. They’re sticking to the sides of the blood vessels and they’re not really doing anything. They’re laying low because there’s nothing going on.

So if that happens, what’s going on is you have less circulating white blood cells to recognize and attack an invader (a virus, a bacteria or whatever it might be). That’s why sedentariness is associated with poor outcomes for disease.

And when you exercise, say you take a brisk walk or you’re doing housework, you’re running around and you’re really working up a sweat, when you are active, what happens is we get what’s called ‘demargination of the white blood cells’. And this demargination basically means that you get this transient increase in white blood cell activity because these cells that were loafing around and not doing anything and hanging out to the side of the blood vessels, they’re forced because of the blood flow to start being active.

That would explain why activity is associated with a better immune response and a better immune system and in turn, less chance of getting the flu or getting any kind of illness that you might come in contact with. So there are things that people can do that help the body other than just taking vaccines. if you’re in poor health, vaccines aren’t going to do anything.

DEBRA: Yeah. I was a looking at an article because it’s this time of year when it’s flu shots and vaccines and things and so I get a lot of this in my email inbox. One was talking about that vaccines have very low level of effectiveness. It was something like 18% effective. That’s very small. That’s very, very small. All these people are taking it and only 18% are actually getting any kind of help.

This is the way I think. I think that the best thing to do is to just be as healthy as possible to do those things because they’re the things that are always recommended for good health anyway – exercise, drink water, eat good food, staying away from toxic chemicals. Well, people aren’t always saying that yet, but they will. They will. I’m working on it.

So, to just recognize that there’s a basic handful of things that are going to give you good health. And if you do those things, then that’s your vaccine. That’s the thing that’s protecting you from anything. You don’t need to have a specific vaccine because you’re protected from everything.

Pamela Seefeld: That’s exactly right. And it’s important to say this. We were talking about it’s your own responsibility in managing your care. And like I said, these people, I feel bad for them. It’s very, very sad. But constantly, the same people are coming to the hospital every month, every month, same people. It’s not about brain.

Especially people that are smoking, there’s a high percentage of the population that ends up in the hospital repeatedly from smoking. And that is a preventable problem.

DEBRA: It is.

Pamela Seefeld: Smoking, not just all the lives that were lost. If you think about Europe, they even have more people that smoke over there. But the effects on your immune system, the effects on your respiratory system, even people with COPD and asthma, smoking is robbing a lot of people out of quality life.

And actually, there are new studies that came out not that long ago talking about – this is just maybe local to Florida. But certain areas of Florida have a higher morbidity/mortality than being in areas that are more affluent. And what they were saying is that like in Pinellas County where we live in, if you lived in Pinellas County, you have a very good chance of making it to 77 years old. But if you live in Hernando or Date County, you lose 14 years off your life.

DEBRA: What?! That’s a lot!

Pamela Seefeld: Fourteen years…

DEBRA: That’s a lot!

Pamela Seefeld: Fourteen years, yes. Fourteen years. They went to the epidemiologist that are in charge of the health department in Hernando and Date Counties, they said, “Well, why do you think there’s such a huge skew. Basically, that’s a big difference in your lifespan that’s being cut short up there” and what they found is those areas have high rates of smoking and high rates of readmission of people coming into the hospitals and just not taking care of themselves.

So, just smoking alone and also, just diet. The food that the people eat in these areas, it’s a poorer group of people, lower socioeconomic, they don’t eat as well. These are directly correlated to behaviors and the fact that if they just would eat a little bit better diet, have a little bit more activity – and the smoking was a big thing! Apparently, those areas have a lot of people smoking – much more than Pinnelas County.

You think about it, 14 years. If you told somebody you were going to die 14 years younger than you normally would just by where you’re living or what you’re eating and what are the bad effects of your smoking, I think this would change a lot of people’s behavior.

DEBRA: I think so too. I mean, 77 minus 14, that’s 63. I mean, there’s a lot of people who are approachign 63 and they could be living longer.

Pamela Seefeld: This is the thing. The statistics were in the paper, but I don’t even know if that’s even brought up to the general population so much. I think people need to realize that they can literally peg it down to the zip code you live in.

And what is the difference between the people that are living in a better zip code versus a zip code where there’s more impoverishment, they probably eat better. They probably do some exercise. They maybe have some better stress-reduction activities. It really comes down to the things you do every day.

I always say it’s not like a marathon.It’s all the little things you do every day that add up. You’re trying to eat right, you’re trying to sleep enough, detoxing the toxic chemicals out of your body. I can’t emphasize it enough.

I know you’re a big fan of Zeolite. I think it’s an excellent product. I’m a big fan of Body Anew. And there’s also a detox product that…

DEBRA: I take both of them.

Pamela Seefeld: Yes. Yeah, that’s good. That’s perfect. And there’s a detox product by Desbio that’s called Comprehensive Detox and that’s even stronger. I think of Body Anew as the kindergarten and then the Desbio Comprehensive Detox which has six different bottles, that’s almost like the college. That’s even a lot stronger.

DEBRA: Oh, I have to look at that. I have to look at that.

Pamela Seefeld: No, it’s excellent! But detoxing and getting the chemicals out of your body, those are things that you can do something about – and the fact that smoking really would prevent a lot of this. And the fact is they just found that just in our local area. If you think about Florida, if you think about Florida, that’s pretty statistically significant, the fact that if you lived in Date or Hernando County, you would have 14 years off your life just from doing that. I think it’s unbelievable!

DEBRA: Yeah. It’s amazing. It’s just amazing. And I think that people should take those statistics to heart.

I was talking to somebody on the phone this morning and I had to give my birth date. I kind of joked, “I’m so old.” She knew exactly how old I am because she was looking at my birthday and then she said, “Oh, you don’t sound old at all.”

Pamela Seefeld: You don’t look your age at all. You look great. But you know what? What you’re doing, it shows.

DEBRA: It does show.

Pamela Seefeld: If you tell people to take care of themselves, I know some people might feel overwhelmed. “Oh, I just don’t have the… I’m tired. I don’t have a lot of money. I’m working a lot.” It’s the little things you do every day.

Even like the detox, putting some drops in your water doesn’t take a whole lot of time.

DEBRA: No, it doesn’t. And it doesn’t even cost that much money.

Anyway, we’re coming to the end of our time here today. Thank you so much. Why don’t you give your phone number again really fast.

Pamela Seefeld: Yes, absolutely. If there are any questions I can help you with, please call me here at my pharmacy. It’s 727-442-4955. That’s 727-442-4955. I’ll be very honored and happy to help your family.

DEBRA: Good. Thank you so much.

Pamela Seefeld: Thank you.

DEBRA: You’ve been listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. You can find out more at ToxicFreeTalkRadio.com. Be well!

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