My guest today is filmmaker Ed Brown, who created the new film “Unacceptable Levels.” The film examines the results of the chemical revolution of the 1940s through the eyes of Ed, a father seeking to understand the world in which he and his wife are raising their children. This documentary was made by one man and his camera traveling extensively to find and interview top minds in the fields of science, advocacy, and law. Weaving their testimonies into a compelling narrative, Brown presents us with the story of how the chemical revolution brought us to where we are, and of where, if we’re not vigilant, it may take us. We’ll be talking about what Ed learned by making this film, how it changed his viewpoint about toxic chemicals, and what changes he’s made in his life to reduce exposure to toxic chemicals. www.unacceptablelevels.com

 

 

TOXIC FREE TALK RADIO
New Movie on Toxics: Unacceptable Levels

Host: Debra Lynn Dadd
Guest: Ed Brown

Date of Broadcast: May 08, 2014

DEBRA: Hi, I’m Debra Lynn Dadd and this is Toxic Free Talk Radio where we talk about how to thrive in a toxic world and live toxic-free.

Today is a very special day because tomorrow is the Hollywood premiere of a new documentary film about toxic chemical exposure. And it’s really, really good. I’ve watched it twice in fact. And this filmmaker who is with us today has put together a very complex subject into something that is extremely easy to watch and understand.

I would just say that he’s done such a good job with this that I would just tell everybody. Just watch this film for 120 minutes (or 1 hour and 20 minutes) and then go directly to my website because this film tells you all the reasons why you should be doing everything that I’ve been talking about people should be doing for the last 30 years.

And this is just the perfect introduction to anybody. I mean if you know all about toxic chemicals and you want to introduce somebody to the subject, this would be the perfect thing to have them watch. If you know about toxic chemicals and you want to learn more about the bigger picture, this would be the perfect film to watch. It just is excellent, excellent, excellent.

And I’m so happy to have the filmmaker on today. This is Ed Brown. Hi, Ed.

ED BROWN: Hi Debra. What an amazing introduction. Thank you so much. I’m honored.

DEBRA: You’re welcome. You did a great job. You just did a great job. And for the listeners to know, I watched the film a few months ago and then I wanted to have Ed on then, but there’s other stuff going on and the film wasn’t released at the time.

Now, the film is being released tomorrow and I watched it again today and I loved it just as much today. It’s a documentary film, but it really tells the story of Ed and his curiosity and his concern about what’s going on with the toxic chemicals in the world.

And he interviews the top people in the field. Well, I didn’t get interviewed. No, the thing is though I’m not the top person in the world about the toxic problems. I’m the top person on the world about the solutions. What are the non-toxic solutions?

And what Ed did was he went and interviewed all the people who can tell you the story of what is the problem. And it’s just an exceptional statement of what is the problem.

Anyway, Ed, tell us. I’m going to let you talk. I’m not going to talk through the whole show.

ED BROWN: No, I love you and your thoughts. I think I’m incredibly boring compared to you.

DEBRA: Well, I was not bored with your film for one second. I want to hear about—you tell in the film your story about what led you to be interested in doing this. If you would just tell us that, that would be great.

ED BROWN: Of course. I like to say you are one of the top people obviously working on solutions. And you are one of the key elements to absolutely solving this problem, which is […] across the board.

DEBRA: Thank you.

ED BROWN: And I just want to state that fact. I’m sure your listeners know that. I’m spreading the word every single day about you and your work.

DEBRA: Thank you.

ED BROWN: This film, like everyone else, our lives all tell stories, whether it’s going to be on the movie screen or whether to family members or friends. I just happened to have a camera and I started looking into this issue.

My wife had two miscarriages out of three pregnancies. And quite frankly, I believe the doctors we had on both miscarriages, they didn’t know why this happened. Nature takes its course. It’s probably for the best, et cetera.

And so, after the second one, she had a procedure, which was a D&C. It was right after that that I got really angry—not at the doctors, not at anyone in particular. But I got mad thinking what’s really going on. I keep hearing the same thing. Everybody is sick. I don’t know anyone who isn’t on some kind of medication. Everybody had some chronic illness. I mean I think we can all agree that we all know somebody who has cancer.

DEBRA: Yes.

ED BROWN: I started thinking maybe there’s something connected here. Maybe there are some dots here that I’m missing.

I started doing some research and I started to learn a little bit more about what’s really going on, I realized that there are so many dots that people haven’t been able to connect.

I just took it upon myself to learn all about this subject that affects every single human being on this planet every single day, no matter what your financial status, no matter what your race or your religion or your age or your sex. It affects everyone equally.

And what I found out is that no one lives a healthier or better life with so many toxic chemicals inside their bodies. Ultimately, that’s why I took this journey myself.

DEBRA: Yes. I agree with everything that you said. And what I found for myself was that when I did all the research that you did at the time in 1978 when I started, we didn’t have as much information as we have today. We didn’t have all those organizations and all the people that are working on it that you interviewed. Nobody, I don’t think any of them were doing it in 1978. So I had much less to work with when I started researching.

But it became really clear to me and as you state at the end of the film that we all need to do something for ourselves. In the film, you go through talking about toxic chemicals in water, in food and personal care products and all these different things. And you also talk about how our laws do not protect us from these things. And when you try to change at the regulatory level, there are lobbyists and people who are posing that.

You talk about our healthcare system. And the thing about healthcare is that you can go to so many doctors who don’t even recognize that toxic chemicals are the basic cause of most of the illness that most of us are having.

And to go to a doctor and get a drug—well, you don’t say this on the film, but I’m going to say it. To go to the doctor and get a drug does not solve the problem of toxic chemicals in your body or in the environment. It just puts another toxic chemical in your body.

We need to have this massive reorientation of every part of society to understand that this is a problem that all of us are experiencing, all of us are being harmed by. And all of us together need to change it.

ED BROWN: I couldn’t agree more. And by the way, Debra, I was only three years old when you started looking into this problem. I wish I could have been a part of it ever since then.

But let’s think about it. You’ve been looking into it for that long and other people have recognized it as well, but you’ve been incredibly influential in taking on this fight.

That’s what your viewers, I’m sure, know and your listeners. I think that they really need to understand across the board that this is everyone’s problem. It’s not going away any time soon.

And yeah, wherever you get sick—hopefully you don’t—if you get sick, you go into a doctor’s office, what they’re not trained at is prevention. What they don’t know a lot about is anything about toxic chemicals. Maybe they know a little bit.

But for the most part, what they’re really, really great at is treating symptoms of a problem. They’re not really great at getting into the root of the issue.

And so the healthcare industry, they have to re-prioritize a lot of the different ways of doing things. I think that over the course of the next 20 to 30 years, I think they have to, I hope at least.

DEBRA: Well, 30 years ago, most of the doctors were just regular medical doctors and over the past 30 years, there have been new fields coming out like functional medicine and things like that. And there are a lot of doctors now that are alternative who are MDs who have said, “Wait a minute. I need to do something else.” And they go off and say, “Let’s look at toxic chemicals. Let’s look at modalities. Let’s look at nutrition.”

I worked with a doctor who is a chiropractor by training. That’s how he gets his doctor status. But he has trained himself in all kinds of other things and he completely agrees with me that we need to reduce toxic chemical exposure and we need to get adequate nutrition. Most people don’t get enough nutrition in order to have their detox systems in their bodies working.

Simple things like this—oh, we need to take a break. I’m talking to you instead of watching the time. You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd and my guest today is filmmaker, Ed Brown.

We’re talking about his new film, Unacceptable Levels, which is opening tomorrow in Hollywood. You can go to ToxicFreeTalkRadio.com and scroll down the page and you’ll see a little banner ad for his movie. If you click on that, you can order your own copy or rent it. We’ll be right back.

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DEBRA: You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd and my guest today is filmmaker, Ed Brown. He’s the creator of the new film, Unacceptable Levels, which is all about our exposure to toxic chemicals and what’s going on in the world.

It premieres tomorrow in Hollywood. You can go to ToxicFreeTalkRadio.com today and pre-order by clicking on the banner. Scroll down until you see Ed’s nice smile and below that, there’s a banner out that says, Unacceptable Levels. You can click on that.

I guess tomorrow, there’s access to the film. Is that correct, Ed?

ED BROWN: Yes, that’s correct. Yeah, tomorrow, everybody with internet connection would be able to access the film anywhere and anytime as long as you have a smart phone or a tablet, even TVs. Yeah, you connect it to…

DEBRA: Or a desktop computer.

ED BROWN: It’s exciting. It’s exciting.

DEBRA: Yeah, I’m very excited about it. Tell us what it was like to go on this—was it a two year journey? You traveled around and you interviewed people. What was that experience like?

ED BROWN: That was a challenge to put it lightly. I didn’t have a clue. It was just me and my camera and my tripod. And I’m staying in a lot of different places all over the world by myself. For the most part, it was difficult.

I was working at a restaurant waiting tables, which you’ll see in the film. That’s where it all started for me. I was waiting tables and I only had one day a week to film because the restaurant was closed on Monday. So I really had to scramble during the week making phone calls and trying to set up as many interviews as I could if I needed to go to a particular area because I didn’t really have a lot of money to use either.

So yeah, I had inherently some troubles. We decided to embark on a film and you’re doing it all by yourself. Obviously, there’s going to be a lot of pitfalls headed your way and a lot of road blocks. But totally, I was able to navigate my way through that.

So first of all, the photography about two years and then it took another two years to finish editing it and honing it and really working with the story into what you’re about to see. Yeah, it’s about a four-year process.

I think I’ve earned some kind of honorary degree somehow, I hope. I don’t know what it would be in chemistry or filmmaking, but I hope somebody can give me something for this. I’m joking.

DEBRA: Well, I would at least acknowledge you because I know what it’s like to be one person wanting to make a difference because I have been doing everything that I do without any funding, without any organizations, just being one person.

So I really honor you for doing that and I understand the feeling that you must have had of seeing what was wrong and then saying, “Wait, I need to tell other people.” That’s what happened to me too.

Once I got sick and I discovered what was making me sick, I said, “Wait, this whole thing could have been avoided if somebody had just told me there were toxic chemicals out there and they were in my products and they were in the food and they were in my perfume and in my water and in my bed and in my body.” If somebody had just told me that, I could have done something to prevent being sick.

And nobody was talking about it and so I had to do that. And I did it all alone just like you did it all alone and I think that a lot of people who are very effective in this world have done things all alone. I totally commend you for deciding to do it and continuing to do it and bringing this information to people who need to have it.

ED BROWN: I certainly appreciate that. And Debra, your story is much more heroic than my own. I’ll always say that. Your perseverance is shining though every single day.

For all of us, if I would have failed—there were a lot of desperate times financially for myself, I have two kids and my wife who tries to take care of them as best as she could. There were a lot of very, very challenging instances where I felt like we weren’t going to make it to the finish line, but I knew that I had to.

I knew I had to see it for myself to the end. A lot of wherewithal and a lot of dedication to this, I saw a lot of people that kept encouraging me to keep going. And their strong will really helped me to make it to the end as well.

And if I didn’t make it, if I failed to do that, this information wouldn’t be available tomorrow to everybody across the globe. And we all need it and that’s the point.

DEBRA: We do all need it, but everyone needs to understand. You did such a great job of starting at the beginning and showing how we got to where we are today and showing that after World War II in the mid 1940s that there had been all these chemists available working on the chemical warfare of World War II that they had developed new things.

And now what are you going to do with all the chemists? And there were cheap raw materials in the form of oil and they just started making things and all these new substances and all these new products and there was money available and people were buying them. It seemed like this wonderful new world and yet, there was this dark side that didn’t start being apparent until some years later.

And now, it’s very, very clear from the evidence, the scientific evidence that these chemicals are toxic and all of us are being affected, all of us need to do something about it and you really showed that. I don’t want to say in an entertaining way because it’s not an entertaining subject.

ED BROWN: Yeah. I see how delicate you’re trying to put it and I can appreciate that because you wouldn’t want to make it seem like this is entertaining, but you have to have that value and appeal to get people to reciprocate.

If you make it just factually based, it could be completely boring and people would get turned off and then you’re not able to make any difference with the subject material that you’re using.

DEBRA: I would say certainly you have presented it in an accessible way and in a way that is not dry and boring at all.

ED BROWN: Yes.

DEBRA: And you interspersed with humor. My publicist once said, “David Letterman wanted to have you on his show, but he couldn’t think of anything funny to say about toxics.” So I wasn’t on David Letterman.

But you actually came up with some clips of people making jokes about toxic substances. And so the way you put it together, you took a subject that can be difficult to understand, difficult to listen to and at times horrifying, and you made it very human.

I just want people to understand that if you hear this word, “documentary about toxic chemicals,” that you don’t think that this is going to be something boring that you don’t want to watch. It is something that you want to watch and it’s something that you want to share with your family and friends and co-workers because everybody needs to have this information, everybody needs to have the truth about the world that we live in so that we can do something about it.

We’re going to take another break and we’ll be right back. You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd and my guest today is filmmaker, Ed Brown who made Unacceptable Levels.

It’s opening tomorrow in Hollywood. You can go to ToxicFreeTalkRadio.com right now, during the break and click on the banner ad to pre-order your copy. You can buy it or you can rent it and it will be available tomorrow. We’ll be right back.

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DEBRA: You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd and my guest today is filmmaker, Ed Brown who made the new film, Unacceptable Levels, which opens tomorrow.

I wanted to ask you a two-part question. Here’s the first question. What did you find most horrifying in your research? What was the thing that you said, “This is just unacceptable.”

ED BROWN: That’s a way to start, right?

DEBRA: Yeah, a way to start. But what was the thing that got you emotionally?

ED BROWN: I always go back to the more disgusting ones, the toxic ones. That’s the one thing that blew me away. I just couldn’t understand. I don’t know. The toxic sludge…

DEBRA: Tell us what toxic sludge is.

ED BROWN: It’s huge recently.

DEBRA: Just give us the details about toxic sludge.

ED BROWN: Yes. The toxic sludge are sewage systems or humans’ sewage systems. It was designed in a particular way to collect everything that you flush down the toilet. Everything that goes down, we collect it. It’s tried and then what do you do with it?

It doesn’t magically disappear. It doesn’t magically just go away. This is something that again blew me away because this is something I never really thought about. It’s out of sight, out of mind […]

And what I found out was that our sewage systems collect these stuff. It’s dried and then transported. They don’t take it to the moon. They don’t take it and dump it in the ocean. And it’s extremely toxic. It’s called toxic sludge because all of the contaminants that go down into the sewage systems—pharmaceuticals drugs, heavy metals, pesticides and other contaminants and stuff like that.

All this stuff that’s collected is not magically disinfected. They don’t do anything to change the matter itself. And again, they take it and transport it onto our farmland and it’s called bio solids. So it goes from being called toxic sludge and with some regulatory magic and then they renamed it “bio solid,” which sounded much nicer than toxic sludge.

But anyway, we have 60% of our farmland being fertilized by this stuff. The things, the plants that are being grown out of this stuff and farm animals, we’re going to be eating it. It’s a bizarre scenario, but that’s the situation we find ourselves.

DEBRA: It actually is traditional. We put manure of animals on farmland and that’s considered to be a good organic practice. And way before, all throughout history, both animal and human manure have been used to fertilize the land.

But the part that is different nowadays is that all the toxic chemicals that we’re exposed to that we eat, that we breed, that we drink, that we put on our skin get eliminated through our intestines. And so then when you take that material that is the toxic waste of our bodies being eliminated and then you put that on the farmland, that’s not the same thing.

ED BROWN: Yeah, it’s true. I still find the marketing of this to be fascinating because if they just called it tacky human waste or something like that, it doesn’t change the product. It changes your mindset as to how you view it. And that’s what they did, which is crazy.

DEBRA: Yeah. The second half of the question is I want to ask you, what did you learn that gave you the greatest hope?

ED BROWN: That there are so many amazing people just like yourself, Debra, out there working every single day not just to educate, but to make the world a better place.

That might sound a cliché and that might sound hoaky, but I’ve met so many amazing people and I’ve worked with so many amazing organizations, so many amazing companies that are at the forefront of this problem that have been taking it on for decades. That should give everybody a high degree of hope that we have so many great people out there struggling every single day to take on the biggest challenge we’ve ever faced as a human civilization. And we should have more every single day, joining in this along with each other and holding hands and working together to do this.

DEBRA: Yes.

ED BROWN: Again, it might sound cliché, but it’s not. These are people that take these issues seriously and we all have a very, very deep responsibility for the next generation to do everything we can to make their lives better than we had it. And I have three children now. I had two at the time when I finished the movie. That’s what they deserve from us.

And looking in their faces, looking into their smiles and making them understand that I’m here in every single way, it’s all […], they give me hope and all the people working out there in this facility are really given hope as well.

DEBRA: I find out every day on this radio show. I am interviewing people around the world who are doing things to make the world safer and they’re working at every level from retailers and manufacturers through regulations and everything.

I don’t feel, like we talked earlier about each of us being one person doing something by ourselves, but we’re not. We’re one person, but we’re a part of a much bigger picture of all these other individuals on the planet that are working towards having a less toxic world or a non-toxic world, a toxic-free world.

Sometimes, I stop and think we have so much information about this, so much knowledge about how to live toxic-free and we can see it if we know where to look. You can see it all around and that’s what I keep trying to show people, “Look here, look there,” because you can make these toxic-free choices that exist for you. It’s right here today. And yet, there are still so many people who don’t even know that there’s a problem.

ED BROWN: Yeah!

DEBRA: Go ahead.

ED BROWN: Yeah. I live in Central Pennsylvania. I wouldn’t exactly call it the Mecca for green living and toxic-free lifestyle or anything like that.

And I think that they give me a viewpoint that was completely necessary for the story to be told.

If I grew up and lived in San Francisco, I think it would be much different. I mean it’s an accepted way of life and people are quite educated on what it is out there.

But this is a film that needs to and has to ultimately reach the individuals who have no idea that this is happening. It’s not to say that everybody that’s been working in this field can’t use reinforcement. I mean I am going to suggest that as well.

But I would say that the people like my parents, people like my friends who don’t have any idea that this is a problem and may not over the course of a lifetime, unless something really bad happens to them and they look into it, themselves, that’s where this comes down to.

And nobody is average. I know we never say that average people need this information, but everybody does.

DEBRA: Everybody needs it. Absolutely. We need to go to another break, but we’ll be right back. My guest today is filmmaker, Ed Brown, who created the new film Unacceptable Levels.

It opens tomorrow in Hollywood and you can go to ToxicFreeTalkRadio.com. Click on the banner ad for Unacceptable Levels and you can pre-order it and you’ll get it tomorrow. We’ll be right back.

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DEBRA: You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd and my guest today is filmmaker, Ed Brown who created the new film Unacceptable Levels.

And I’ll just say once more because this is the last segment of the show and I know we’re going to just keep talking right to the end. If you can go to ToxicFreeTalkRadio.com, scroll down the page and you’ll see the banner ad for Unacceptable Levels. Just click on it. You can order a rental, you can order the film itself and it will be available tomorrow.

I think it would be a great idea to invite your friends over to watch it together, talk about what all you can do, what each of you are doing already to be less toxic. Just really help each other and your friends and neighbors to be able to live in a less toxic way.

And if you need some information about that, you can listen to Toxic Free Talk Radio. You can go to my website. Go to ToxicFreeTalkRadio.com. Go to the top. There’s a whole menu of things that you can find on my site, including if you click on Shop, there are more than 500 websites selling toxic-free products of all kinds. You can go to the Q&A.

You can go to the search box, which is a little thing that looks like a magnifying glass and type in any product that you’re looking for and you’ll probably get something. There are books that you can read. There’s a blog about how you can detox toxic chemicals out of your body. There’s just so much information.

Watch the film and Ed will inspire you to do something and then you can go to my website and find out how to do something. That’s how these two things fit together.

ED BROWN: I think it’s great. I mean that’s exactly the progression people should go through. You need to educate yourself about it and then have a solution lined up for it as well and a plan.

DEBRA: Yeah. Ed, I just want to tell you that you’re breaking up a little. I’m wondering if the producer can call you back, but let’s just continue.

ED BROWN: Am I still here?

DEBRA: Yeah. You’re still breaking up, but I want to know if people hear what you’re saying. My producer—oh, he says that you sound fine in the studio, so let’s just keep going on. Maybe it’s just my receiving end that’s breaking up.

So tell us some things that you did in your life to be less toxic as a result of you doing this research.

ED BROWN: One of the first things I started doing was I have changed the crib mattress that the kids were sleeping on. That was really, really important.

Why? That’s because the child sleeps on a crib mattress eight to 15 hours every single day. Flame retardants and other chemicals would be going straight to their bodies as they’re breathing. And that’s one of the first things that I always try to say to my other parents as well. Try changing that.

And I also changed my cleaning products. Every time you spray a particular surfactant, it might have an antimicrobial agent into it and stuff like that, you’re inhaling it. You’re putting them onto your skin. I don’t know how you’re cleaning. Ultimately, I needed to do that too, so I’ve changed that.

And now I just use white vinegar and rubbing alcohol to clean everything with. It’s cheaper and it’s effective.

And also when it comes to food, we don’t eat anything, but organic. And that to me is a really smart way of eliminating a lot of toxins that get into us every single day.

So you got to think about what you’re breathing, what you’re drinking, what you’re eating and how you’re sleeping. Those are really the four areas. If you can, make changes there quickly.

Our water filtration system is of the utmost importance. There’s over 250 contaminants in every single drop of water that’s coming from the tap.

It’s not to say that it’s horrifically bad and it’s not to say that bottled water is any better. They’re just sitting back and saying they have to disinfect it and stuff like that. I understand it. But you need to get a water filtration system that’s going to take out the disinfectants and what-not and other trace contaminants that pass through on municipal water facility.

You should think about what you’re doing, what you’re breathing, what you’re eating, what you’re drinking, how you’re sleeping. So those four areas, you make those consorted efforts. Take small steps if you need to. Take big leaps if you’d like to.

And then you‘ll find, over the course of five to 10 years, you may have avoided a lot of struggle in your body. And it’s just ultimately better for everybody like this and especially young kids, starting out at a very young age.

DEBRA: It is ultimately better and I know a lot of times, people think, especially if they watch your film and they may say, “Oh, everything is toxic.” Well, it is.

ED BROWN: Yeah, I just did that.

DEBRA: It is and it isn’t. There are things that are more toxic. For example, cleaning products are a big toxic category of products. And pesticides are a big category and your bed is a big toxic category.

If you change any of those things and use the less toxic ones, the ones like instead of a polyurethane foam mattress, you sleep on an organic cotton mattress. I have an organic wool mattress. If you make that kind of change, it may be that your life is now not 100% toxic-free, but it’s less toxic and you just keep making it less and less and less.

And what I found in myself and others over the years, especially if you have some illness or chronic condition is that there’s such a chance that it’s related to toxic chemicals. As you reduce your toxic chemical exposure, you should be feeling better and better and better.

And even if we don’t get to 100% zero toxics, everybody can reduce the amount of toxics that they’re exposed to enough to make a significant difference in your health. That has been shown over and over and over again. If you just start with the things that you’re exposed to at home, then it can make a huge difference, just a huge difference.

ED BROWN: You’re actually right. I always go with that sentiment, taking steps, again small steps, budgetary mind steps and always moving in that direction. Find small incremental changes and it will have a huge impact.

DEBRA: It will. It will. We only have about four minutes left. Is there anything that you want to say that we haven’t talked about?

ED BROWN: Of course, there are a lot of things that I’d love to talk about. I’m fascinated by one of your ads by the way, thinking about what it would take […] and if I could do that every single day. I think that would be a tough one. I don’t know why I was fixated on that, listening to it, thinking, “That’s heavy stuff.”

I think what we’re doing when it comes to these toxic chemicals, the one thing that—and I’m not chastising the industry and I’m not chastising scientists that do not believe that this is such a big deal. But starting with something, let’s just say a blueberry, one blueberry has 42 trace contaminants and pesticides on it. Some of those are neurotoxins, some of those are carcinogens and some of those have reproductive problems.

That’s one blueberry.

Let’s say you really like blueberries and you eat a handful of them and let’s just say you really like tomatoes and strawberries as well and you like to eat a lot of those every single day. And if you just make a change in those and go organic with some of the really soft skinned fruits and vegetables, you’ll find that your body will reciprocate.

That’s where we get a lot of the pay loads from pesticides and phosphates and stuff like that and other issues that are related to the food that we’re eating like insecticides and fungicides and avicides and stuff like that.

Think about it for a second. This is a great analogy that I give to everybody. If you had two tomatoes, both of those are organic. You watched somebody take one of those tomatoes and they sprayed […] all over it, even if they washed it off really, really well, would you want to eat it? Most people say no.

And I always say what’s the difference between a farmer doing that in a field multiple times over the course of its growth to seeing that in front of your face.

So, really still, the out of sight, out of mind mentality needs to be changed. And that’s why I want to try to encourage people to […] even if it’s made and manufactured and all that stuff and you don’t see any of that happening.

That’s the whole point of this film. It’s just like the Wizard of Oz , we’re pulling the curtain back. You don’t see any of this kind of stuff happening over here. And that’s what this film is trying to expose. It’s exposing our exposures.

I really hope everybody enjoys it. I hope everybody goes to your website, clicks on the banner link and watches it tomorrow when it goes live. And again Debra, you made a great point, sharing it with your friends and family and getting the conversation move in the right direction. It’s ultimately going to be our salvation across the board. It will do everybody a great deal of good to change the way we’ve been doing things, absolutely.

DEBRA: Yes, I completely agree. You were talking about the out of sight, out of mind and I have a friend who gives talks about things toxic. And one of the things that he does is he brings a can of pesticide with him and he holds up an apple and he said, “Now, I’m going to spray this with pesticides,” and people go, “No!”

ED BROWN: It’s real, right?

DEBRA: If you spray a pesticide on an apple right in front of somebody, they will not eat it. And yet, they are spraying the same pesticides on the apples in the orchard and then it’s coming to you.

Anyway, I need to say thank you so much because we’re about to be done with the show. I just need to say thank you so much for being on the show. Thank you so much for doing what you’ve done and I hope that a lot of people watch the film and talk about it and that it just opens the door for so many more people to know about this.

ED BROWN: Absolutely. Pleasure is all mine.

DEBRA: Thank you. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd. This is Toxic Free Talk Radio. Remember to go to ToxicFreeTalkRadio.com and click on the banner ad and get your copy of the film, Unacceptable Levels.