My guest today is Corinne Segura, Writer of the blog My Chemical Free House, and consultant on chemical-free building, renovating and decorating. After developing MCS and mould illness, she built a home in which to heal—a non-toxic tiny house on wheels. The goal was to build a mould-resistant home as close to VOC-free as possible. She continues to stay up to date on new green materials and best practices for building mould-free in order to help others create the healthiest homes possible. She has a background in research and community development and holds an HBA from the University of Toronto. She’s got lots of information on how she build her toxic free home at www.mychemicalfreehouse.net
TOXIC FREE TALK RADIO
Tiny House – Toxic Free
Host: Debra Lynn Dadd
Guest: Corinne Segura
Date of Broadcast: October 20, 2015
DEBRA: Hi, I’m Debra Lynn Dadd and this is Toxic Free Talk Radio where we talk about how to thrive in a toxic world and live toxic-free.
It’s Tuesday, October 20th and today I’m here in Clearwater, Florida. And this weekend, we actually had wind. We had cold wind here in Florida. And I just heard on the news as we were coming in that the first snowfall fell. I’m excited because I love this time of year and I love that winter is coming and we’re having Thanksgiving and Christmas and all those nice things to do.
Anyway, what we’re going to be talking about today is – my guest is a blogger who has built a tiny house, a toxic free tiny house and she has planned it all out from the beginning. It’s as nontoxic as it can be. And I am very interested in hearing about this. I’m intrigued by the whole subject of tiny houses.
I actually live in what some people might consider to be a big house, 1600 square feet in a suburban neighborhood with a little bit of land around it. It feels like a big house to me and I have been looking at these tiny houses and wondering if I could live in such a small space.
Anyway, we’re going to hear all about her tiny house and we’re going to hear about how she made her tiny house toxic free.
Her name is Corinne Segura and her blog is called My Chemical Free House. Hi Corinne.
CORINNE SEGURA: Hi. How are you?
DEBRA: I’m good. How are you?
CORINNE SEGURA: I’m good.
DEBRA: So tell us how you came to be interested in toxics and things being toxic free. And then I want to hear how that turned into a tiny house.
CORINNE SEGURA: Well, I developed multiple chemical sensitivities and I was living in Toronto and I also had chronic fatigue syndrome, which I still have. So it was a little bit of a necessity for me to try and go as nontoxic as possible. That was pretty hard in a condo in a big city.
DEBRA: Yes.
CORINNE SEGURA: And so I decided I would live across the country and to a milder climate in BC. I’m on the West Coast. I thought I didn’t have enough money to buy land or to build a regular sized house. So it was a little bit of necessity and a little bit of I do love tiny houses.
DEBRA: What’s it like to live in a tiny house?
CORINNE SEGURA: I don’t mind it at all. To me, it feels quite spacious and a lot of people say that when they walk in because of the design. You could see on the blog it’s got a slanted shed roof, so it’s got a lot of space vertically. I don’t keep it cluttered. I keep it really nice and neat. So you can entertain a few people. To me, it’s normal.
DEBRA: You must not have very much stuff.
CORINNE SEGURA: I don’t have very much stuff. That’s one big adjustment that might not work for most people because I have everything digitized in terms of photos and paperwork and I don’t keep many belongings, I don’t keep many clothes and that’s my lifestyle.
That works well when you have MCS. I had very severe MCS, multiple chemical sensitivities when I moved in and it was a lot easier to keep a minimalist living environment.
DEBRA: How has living in this environment helped you recover?
CORINNE SEGURA: Almost immediately, I started sleeping better and then it’s been a slow progress and my sensitivities are way down.
Now, I can go to public gatherings and most normal places I can go to, maybe not a hair salon. It has really opened up in terms of I feel a lot more freedom of movement.
So I also have to say it was the house, but it was also detox and maybe we will talk about that more because I can’t just say it was only the house. I also did a lot of detox that got all those toxins out of me.
DEBRA: Let’s talk about the detox right now before we talk about the house. Tell us what you did.
CORINNE SEGURA: Yeah. I did cholestyramine, which is a pretty very strong binder and that’s prescription. And I did some lighter binders. I won’t go into all of them, but the main ones are cholestyramine, ALA and glutathione. Glutathione and ALA, you can purchase from health food stores online.
Those have just made a huge, huge, huge difference. The brain fog was gone and I just started slowly getting back to the regular world where you can’t avoid everything.
DEBRA: Right. I’ve had myself a similar story to yours where I had multiple chemical sensitivities many, many years ago back in 1978 I think was the year that it started. And I figured out that I needed to remove the chemicals from my home and that would work too. I thought the chemicals are making me sick. Why not just get rid of them and my body should heal? And that happened.
So I was living in a condo at the time and I tried to make that okay. We didn’t know about tiny houses then, but eventually I went and got a little cottage in the woods. And I made it totally nontoxic and I started really getting better to a point where I could then go out. I even traveled to Europe and didn’t have any problems and things like that. So it really does make a difference what your environment is even if you only look at us as a study of two.
But I think that there are many other people who had similar experience. And then it wasn’t until many, many years later that I started detoxing. And though I used different products than you used, I had the same experience of things that you can detox your home all you want, but if the chemicals are still on your body, they’re still in your body and they’re still making you sick.
CORINNE SEGURA: Yeah. They do accumulate in your body. They may not be coming out in the way that most people’s body would eliminate toxins.
DEBRA: Do you think that people who have multiple chemical sensitivities or other illnesses that come from chemical exposure, their detox systems might not be working so well?
CORINNE SEGURA: Yeah, it seems that way. And I’ve also seen a bunch of people that have tried detox in a not great environment and it hasn’t worked really or they’ve had bad reactions. So it seems like the key, from the people I have seen is that you have to do both, you have to try cleaning up your house as much as possible and then hopefully try whatever kinds of binders or antioxidants work for you or saunas and all these things.
DEBRA: That’s been my experience too. You have to do them both because if you’re trying to detox and you’re still putting toxic chemicals into your body from your environment it’s like trying to empty the bathtub while you’re putting water in it.
They really go hand in hand. I’ve seen it in my own life and I think you’ve seen it in your and I think other people have seen that when they do those two things, they get spectacular results.
CORINNE SEGURA: Yeah.
DEBRA: Yeah, it really makes a difference. It really makes a difference. Let me tell my listeners that on my website, ToxicFreeTalkRadio.com, I’ve posted Corinne’s video of her tiny house. It’s an 18 minute video and you can just go there. It will be on ToxicFreeTalkRadio.com this week.
If you are listening in the future – here I am talking to people in the future – if you’re listening to the archive show in the future, it will be on that page. You’ve probably already seen it because you’ve gotten to the show from the page where the video is. And it’s about 18 minutes. It really shows everything about her house, all the different things in her tiny house and you can really get an idea of what that’s like. And there’s also a whole lot of information on her website at MyChemicalFreeHouse.net.
We’re coming up on the break now. But when we come back, let’s just start going through your house and you can tell us all about the different kinds of materials and how did you figure out what to use and questions like that. I recently started a new blog on my website called Shop With Debra because people wanted to know how I figured out what to buy. So I think we want to know how to too figure out what to use.
We’ll be right back. You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd and my guest today is Corinne Segura. She’s the writer of the blog My Chemical Free House, which is at MyChemicalFreeHouse.net. And she writes about her tiny house and how she made it toxic free. We’ll be right back.
DEBRA: You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd and my guest today is Corinne Segura. She’s the writer of the blog My Chemical Free House, which is at MyChemicalFreeHouse.net. She lives in her tiny house that she’s made toxic free.
So Corinne, where did you start? Once you’ve decided to do a tiny house and make it toxic free, what was the first thing you did?
CORINNE SEGURA: It was a lot of research in a very short amount of time because it’s a pretty quick build for a tiny house for about four months. And so I wanted to find everything VOC free if I could.
So I researched the materials. I looked at their safety data sheet. And as you know, safety data sheet does not even give you the information that it really should live VOCs. And some products have not even been properly tested. There are not enough regulations. But I did my best I could with the research and talking to other people that were sensitive and which materials worked for them.
And then I did some testing. I tested samples of materials I was really sensitive at the time. So I had a pretty good sense of whether that would be okay although it’s very hard when you’re sampling a four inch piece of drywall. You’re actually going to have it surrounding you.
So I think you have to use a few different methods. You have to use those three different methods in order to really be sure unless you sleep in a room, unless you bring so much in it and sleep in a room with it first. But that could be very difficult to do.
DEBRA: Yeah. Yeah. So what kind of places did you look to find out this information?
CORINNE SEGURA: I tried to look for studies that did testing. And if there weren’t any, I looked at the product’s website and see if they made claims that it’s VOC free and nontoxic. Sometimes you just have to send a lot of e-mails and ask them. “Have you done VOC testing?
Are you able to say that this is a nontoxic product?” And a lot of times, most of the times, you get an answer. So that’s another way too. It does take a lot of time to do this, to do all the research for every single material.
DEBRA: It does. I know. I’ve done it.
CORINNE SEGURA: Yeah.
DEBRA: I continue to do it and it takes a lot of time. And having done it over a 30-year period, I can see that now, there’s a lot more awareness and there are new products coming out. There are new things available today that weren’t available many years ago.
What year did you build your house? A year and a half ago?
CORINNE SEGURA: Two years ago, yeah.
DEBRA: Two years ago, yeah. I think that there are even some products available today that weren’t available then. So I see that people are starting to understand that there’s a growing market of interest for nontoxic products. So they do test the products, they know what the VOCs are, they know what their lead levels are and things like that so that we can then have that information to make our choices then.
So I see that we’re moving in the right direction. It’s not nontoxic world yet, but we’re moving in the right direction.
CORINNE SEGURA: And one more research is I heavily relied on the book, Prescriptions for a Healthy Home. And I know you have a good book too. So this can be really good resource because that person has already done all the e-mails and the interviews and you can quickly look for what might be the best product.
DEBRA: Yes. Yes, Prescriptions for a Healthy Home is a very good book. My books are not particularly about building. Mine are more about what goes on in the house, but I do have some information about building and I’ve done a lot of remodeling myself and consulted with people on doing their remodels with their buildings.
So let’s talk about some of the specific products that you have in your house. Where shall we start? How about the walls? The walls, let’s start with the walls.
CORINNE SEGURA: Yes.
DEBRA: How did you build your walls?
CORINNE SEGURA: The walls are magnesium oxide board, which is still going through some growing pains because it did crack on me. I haven’t quite figured out what people are doing to stop it from cracking, but it is a very nontoxic cement board instead of the gypsum board. Toxin-wise, it’s been really good.
I used wood framing. The metal framing is probably a lot better of an idea for a tiny house because it’s going to really hold up the mold over the long run and it’s going to be easier and it’s going to last longer in terms of the movement of the house when you relocate.
DEBRA: Oh, right.
CORINNE SEGURA: And what else did I use? I used a lot of wood, wood flooring and wood ceiling. I use a low odor wood just to be safe because I was so sensitive at the time. I thought, “What if I move in and cedars or pine is too much for me?”
DEBRA: So what wood did you use?
CORINNE SEGURA: I used poplar and maple is also a great one because it’s a hard wood.
DEBRA: Yeah, that’s something that people need to watch out for. How strong is the wood odor? A lot of people who are sensitive react to those strong odors even to Christmas tree and some things like that.
CORINNE SEGURA: Yeah.
DEBRA: So there are many different kinds of woods and they have all these different characteristics. So wood is not just wood. That was good for people to know that. Yeah.
CORINNE SEGURA: Yeah. Now that I have recovered quite a bit, I’m not sensitive to it, but when you’re moving into a new house, you want to do everything you can.
DEBRA: Yes. So you have that opportunity to do that.
CORINNE SEGURA: Yeah.
DEBRA: So then, what about your floors?
CORINNE SEGURA: Floors are wood. I used natural pigment stain from [Mill House?] Company and then I used hemp oil on all the wood as a finish, which is worth is.
DEBRA: Does it work well?
CORINNE SEGURA: Yeah, the hemp oil works well. It’s not as water-proof as the others. Now that I’m continuing my research, I am finding that there are some zero VOC wood stains that would give you a little more water-repellency. But the hemp oil is working well for me.
DEBRA: That’s good. I see you have some cabinets.
CORINNE SEGURA: Yeah. I use solid wood cabinets, which is not always recommended in a kitchen because of the moisture and they might work with time. But so far two years, they work. There are not a lot of options for cabinet unless you go with metal cabinets if you want to be completely 100% safe on cabinets because a lot of them use the particle boards.
DEBRA: Right. I lived in two little [inaudible 00:21:00] in the woods and in my second [home?], it came with metal cabinet, just like out of the [series?] catalog or something. And they are pretty old metal cabinets. The thing about metal cabinets is that they rust. So if there’s any kind of moisture, you get rusted metal cabinets.
I took them out and put in custom-built wood cabinet, which is a whole other story. But it was a success. It was a success.
We need to go to break. You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd and my guest today is Corinne Segura. She writes the blog. My Chemical Free House, which is MyChemicalFreeHouse.net. And she lives in a tiny house that’s toxic free and we will find out more about it when we come back.
DEBRA: You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd and my guest today is Corinne Segura. She writes the blog, My Chemical Free House at MyChemicalFreeHouse.net. And we’re talking today about her tiny house that she built totally toxic free.
Okay, let’s see what else. We’ve talked about your cabinets. Did you have those custom made?
CORINNE SEGURA: They were, yeah.
DEBRA: Yeah, me too. I have never walked into a store and actually found a cabinet. I think there are some that you can order online, but I found that I had just in my little tiny local community where I live, there was a very nice cabinet maker and he was wanting to do exactly what I wanted. And the total cost came out less than if I had bought the same amount of cabinets at Home Depot. But people think that custom cabinets cost a lot, but they don’t necessarily.
CORINNE SEGURA: And in a tiny house, you really have to do almost everything custom because the size are not going to fit, but I did it for reasons of making it nontoxic as well. I know there are some companies that have certified low VOC cabinets, but those are very expensive and they are still not perfect. My goal was to see whether I could do it zero VOC.
DEBRA: That’s always my goal too.
CORINNE SEGURA: Yeah.
DEBRA: I just really want to live as toxic free as possible. So to make it not quite toxic free, I always want to go and do the extra mile and see if I can do it and that’s why I build my own cabinets and things like that.
CORINNE SEGURA: Yeah.
DEBRA: So then let’s see. What else do we have? Paints on the wall?
CORINNE SEGURA: Insulation.
DEBRA: Oh, okay.
CORINNE SEGURA: I use the clay plaster on the walls because…
DEBRA: Yay! Me too.
CORINNE SEGURA: Yeah. It’s very calming and they say it gives off negative ions and it actually absorbs some toxins. But it just feels great. It makes it very comfortable.
DEBRA: I did my bathroom in clay plaster and I totally love it. It is tile and clay plaster. And as you said, it is very calming and it just feels very soft and it is a totally different feel. Even if you put no VOC paint on the wall, it’s still plastic.
CORINNE SEGURA: Yeah.
DEBRA: And to make the switch over to clay plaster is an entirely different feel in the room. And if I would have built a house right now today, I would use clay plaster or milk paint on the walls, depending on which or where I’m in.
Clay plaster has another advantage. If you put it in a bathroom where there’s a lot of moisture, it actually absorbs the moisture and then it puts it out into the room so that it can evaporate instead of having it sit on the wall.
CORINNE SEGURA: Yeah.
DEBRA: It is an amazing product. Good, good, I’m so happy you use that.
CORINNE SEGURA: Lime plaster is another good plaster too that’s very impervious to mold.
DEBRA: Yeah, yeah. So insulation, what did you use for insulation?
CORINNE SEGURA: For insulation, there are a lot of good options. There’s wool now, there’s hemp. There are so many if you want to go with something completely natural. I actually made the decision to go with XPS, which is rigid foam, which is not what they can call a natural product. But they do say that they don’t off-gas.
It does contain flame retardants, which is the downside, but I use a barrier. I use a polyethylene barrier to prevent the migration of the flame retardants. So that was a little bit of a compromise. Not really a compromise for me, but it’s a little bit a move-away from zero VOC because I wanted that really high insulation value and I wanted something very mold-proof.
And there is a rigid foam now, Johns Manville makes a flame retardant free rigid foam. So if you really want to avoid the flame retardant that is a good idea, there is one that doesn’t have them. And there are other good options like I said.
DEBRA: When I lived in California out in the woods, I remodeled my kitchen when I took out those metal cabinets. And the kitchen actually was added onto the structure. The building was built in 1930 I think and then this was added on. And they didn’t use any sheet rock.
What they used was just pieces of plywood.
And so we just decided that we would take out the cabinets, take all that plywood off the walls and just do everything right. And as we pulled it off, they used for insulation newspapers. And so we had all these old newspapers from the 1930s stacked in the walls. But what we put in was wool. We used wool.
CORINNE SEGURA: Yeah, wool is really great.
DEBRA: We just got wool batts and they weren’t even sold as insulation. We just got wool batts and stuffed it in the wall and we loved it.
We totally loved it.
CORINNE SEGURA: Yeah. Wool is a really great option. And they do now solid. It’s a lot easier to find those kinds of things now.
DEBRA: Yes, it is. It is. This was 20 years ago when I did that. So let’s see. What else?
CORINNE SEGURA: Well, there are so many little things. We can’t go through them all, but now there are so many great glues and there are so many even nontoxic paints if you don’t use plaster and adhesives and stains that are…
DEBRA: Right. So it’s really getting better.
CORINNE SEGURA: Yeah. I am not trying to rep any of these companies, but AFM does have a whole line of pretty much any glue that you might need. You need silicone. It’s pretty hard to do a bathroom without silicone. And now, there are really good options for all these little things that you might not realize you need until later in the build.
DEBRA: How do you heat your house?
CORINNE SEGURA: I use a heat pump. So it does AC and it does heat. It is electric. So I decided not to go with propane because you don’t want to be breathing in propane. Although some propane appliances, they do vent to the outside so you’re not going to be having the indoor fumes. You still have to deal with bringing in the canisters and refilling them. That can be really difficult when you have MCS.
DEBRA: Yeah.
CORINNE SEGURA: So I decided not to go with propane. But the benefit of propane is you can get a lot more off the grid or completely off the grid. But then you have a major difficulty with heating because the only off the grid heating is wood stoves or propane and those are both things you don’t want with the internal combustion.
DEBRA: So you’re not completely off the grid like living out in the middle of nowhere.
CORINNE SEGURA: No.
DEBRA: I’ve been just wandering around your video and your blog. I think you’re connected to somebody else’s, right?
CORINNE SEGURA: I’m connected to electricity and yeah, that’s what ties me to the grid, but my water and sewage is off the grid. So I have a composting toilet and a gray water recycling system, very basic.
DEBRA: Good. We need to go to break again, but when we come back, we’ll continue talking with Corinne Segura about her tiny house that’s toxic free. She writes her blog, My Chemical Free House and that’s at MyChemicalFreeHouse.net. We’ll be right back.
DEBRA: You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd and my guest today is Corinne Segura. She writes the blog, My Chemical Free House, which is at MyChemicalFreeHouse.net. We are talking about her tiny house that she built totally toxic free.
So I saw in the blog, Corinne that you have a bed that’s up against the window. Now, I know that windows are pretty toxic. Window frames have preservatives in them and things like that. So did you build a window totally from scratch?
CORINNE SEGURA: We used aluminum windows, which are I think the best option and then they are framed on the inside with the poplar to look like wooden windows and maybe that’s why you got the idea that maybe they are. So no, they’re not because wooden windows are treated, the ones that you buy are treated with chemicals.
The aluminum is almost as perfect as you can get. There’s a tiny little bit of rubber in between the glass in the middle, but it’s the best option I think.
DEBRA: Yeah, yeah. And I saw on your blog, did you build your own sofa?
CORINNE SEGURA: Yes. Well, it’s a small space.
DEBRA: Yeah. I just love looking at everything that you are doing because you really had to say, “Because of the space, I can’t buy all these things that I might usually buy.” And you came up with all these creative solutions and your creativity is magnificent.
CORINNE SEGURA: Thanks. Yeah, there was some creativity involved with the whole endeavor.
DEBRA: Tell us about your sofa that you built. This is a question that I get a lot because sofas are expensive and people are looking for something affordable. So tell us about your sofa.
CORINNE SEGURA: Yeah, mine was the closest pretty out there compared to or it was comparable to some of the nontoxic sofas that are now available online, which is great that that’s now available. But I went with solid wood, solid maple. I chose the glue. I used [tape?] bond, which is a nontoxic glue.
DEBRA: It’s a nontoxic glue. Yes.
CORINNE SEGURA: Yeah.
DEBRA: [inaudible 00:41:08].
CORINNE SEGURA: Yeah, and latex, natural latex cushions. So I got to be totally in control of no flame retardants. There are definitely no flame retardants in the house.
And then I chose the fabric. I washed the fabric myself so that it doesn’t contain the formaldehyde types of residues that they put on those fabrics. And then a natural finish, it’s a German finish. You can’t buy it here, but it was a natural finish.
DEBRA: Yeah. I made a sofa also. I didn’t start from scratch. What I did was I bought an old sofa at an auction. It costs $50 and it was a funny story. It came in a set with a rug and a sofa. The price kept going up and up and up and the person right next to me was bidding against me and bidding against me. And I finally just gave up.
And then when they bought it, I asked them and it turned out they wanted the rug. They didn’t care about the sofa and all I wanted was the sofa. So they took my $50 and I had a sofa.
But the reason that I wanted that is because old sofas have spring cushions, cushion springs. So then, I wrapped them in wool and cotton and I had it upholstered in linen. It’s maybe 20 years ago now and I still have the same sofa and the same wing chair that I made out of old furniture pieces.
CORINNE SEGURA: Wow, that’s a really good idea.
DEBRA: And they still look perfect. They still look new. I was very happy with that.
CORINNE SEGURA: That’s a really good idea.
DEBRA: Yeah. So another thing that I see on your blog here is that you have a bunch of ideas for little prefab modular tiny homes for people who are chemically sensitive. There are so many options. Tell us about those.
CORINNE SEGURA: Yeah. I was looking for inexpensive options for people because I keep hearing from some people that are really in bad housing crises. And the tiny house did cost me $75,000, which is very expensive and almost a cost of building small but regular sized house.
So for instance, metal yurts are a cute little option. Those start at 10K, but then you would need to add quite a bit to that, but it’s a lot more affordable than a tiny house and it’s something that you can also move around maybe as easily as something on wheels.
But if you have a backyard or a lot of land where you can put something like that, these are some of the other options. There’s another one called arched cabins on my website and I just go through how you could take these shells and then you go through the works and look at what I would then use for the insulation and the walls and you can just customize the interiors of these.
DEBRA: Wow, again, creativity. I can see that you had a need and you filled it and you really are thinking outside of the box here and coming up with all these ways that anybody could have a toxic free house.
When I was in California, I knew several people who had built an outdoor room. They lived in the woods, in the forest. So they built an outdoor room that was actually open to the forest. And then they put and they set up a whole bedroom there so that they could sleep in a bed, but protected out in their forest.
I had been thinking about this myself because I have enough room to put a bedroom sized something in my backyard and you could just go out there and you would have no electricity so you wouldn’t have the EMF stuff. You could have it be totally toxic free. And then even if the rest of your house wasn’t so good, anybody could do this for not a lot of money.
CORINNE SEGURA: Yeah, and the sleep is the most important wherever you’re sleeping. You can recover so much at night and then you could go into your regular wherever you work during the day and just recoup out in your little tiny clean nontoxic house.
DEBRA: Tiny house in the backyard.
CORINNE SEGURA: Yeah.
DEBRA: Well, this has been extremely informative and you’ve given me a lot of ideas and directions that I haven’t even been thinking of.
So we only have a few minutes left now. Is there anything you’d like to say in closing?
CORINNE SEGURA: Yeah. I would just say be a little bit cautious with greenwashing and LEED certified, which is a great idea, but it doesn’t mean zero VOC in any way. And there’s a bunch of other types of greenwashing where they say it’s eco or those kinds of words.
You do need to do a little more research. And not just to plug myself, but it is a good idea to use a consultant that can save you hours and hours of research.
DEBRA: I totally agree with that. You could call Corinne and you could call me and either of us could help you save a lot of money and a lot of time.
CORINNE SEGURA: Yeah, exactly.
DEBRA: I’ve done consultations with people where they should have called me first because they now have a toxic home or toxic office or whatever. And if they would just call me and you can put together – I just did a consultation with a woman where she was having a remodel and I said, “Have your contractor write down all the materials so that I can review them.” And that’s not an expensive consultation, but it will save you.
CORINNE SEGURA: Yeah, exactly. You can go through a lot. You can go through a whole list with someone who has already done all the research.
DEBRA: Yeah. I’m just thrilled. I can’t tell you how happy I am that you’re doing what you’re doing because it’s just so needed. And I just want to tell our listeners just a few things that are on your blog, the types of articles and things that you have done.
So you tested some things like grout and thin set and how to use ozone to clean up toxins, instructions on how to do that and why it works.
We’ve got nontoxic window coverings, natural wall systems, things like emergency housing, there are just so many things, wood with natural pigments. It’s just great.
So go to Corinne’s website, which is at MyChemicalFreeHouse.net and there’s just like almost anything that you would want to know about what to do safely for your house. Yeah.
CORINNE SEGURA: Thanks.
DEBRA: Yeah. Okay, thank you so much, Corinne.
CORINNE SEGURA: Yeah. Thank you.
DEBRA: You’re welcome. You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd. And if you go to ToxicFreeTalkRadio.com, there are a lot more shows there. You can listen to this show again. You can listen to other shows. There are more than 200 shows. A lot of them have transcripts so you can read it.
Now, I have everything divided into categories. If you want to know all the food shows, you can just click on Food and I have some regular guests. You can look up those guests and see all their shows. It’s all getting really very, very, very well organized.
And also I think I mentioned earlier I have a new blog on my website called Shop With Debra. It came about because people wanted to know how I picked out these products and what I’m looking for. I have a lot of products listed on Debra’s List on my website that you can order online, but just [inaudible 00:49:52] shopping out in the real world and how to make some toxic free choices.
You’ve listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd. Be well.
