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I’m looking to buy a huge pot for cooking large batches of food, 21 quarts or even bigger. Ideally, I’d also like to be able to use it as a replacement for my water bath canner so that I don’t have to keep two giant pots around. I see lots of large cooking pots in the size I am looking for but they all seem to be either stainless steel or aluminum. I don’t see anything the size I need in cast iron or glass (which would be impossible to use anyway because of the weight). What would my best option be? I will be boiling water for huge amounts of pasta and cooking tomato-based products, among other things.

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chicken soup cooking

My best recommendation for a HUGE pot is the 10 quart Dutch Oven from Xtrema. I have one and it is enormous. Bigger than any pot I’ve ever had. Completely ceramic through and through. I love it.

The only other option you have really would be an enamel pot such as this one from Granite Waregranite-ware 21 qt

I have this exact pot too, in a smaller size. I don’t use it because when I make soup it burns. The metal is not very thick. So it would be fine to boil jars for canning, for example, but I don’t cook in it.

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Why You Should Take Fish Oil and How To Choose the Right One for You

Pamela Seefeld,R.PhMy guest today is Pamela Seefeld,R.Ph, a pharmacist who dispenses medicinal plants and other natural substances to heal the body, instead of drugs. We’ll be talking about different kinds of fish oils, their health benefits, and how to choose the right one for you. Pamela was my guest on 30 July (see Medicinal Plants Can Replace Toxic Drugs) and was so informative that I invited her to be a regular guest (she’s going to be on every other Wednesday). Pamela is a 1990 graduate of the University of Florida College of Pharmacy, where she studied Pharmacognosy (the study of medicines derived from plants and other natural sources). She has worked as an integrative pharmacist teaching physicians, pharmacists and the general public about the proper use of botanicals. She is also a grant reviewer for NIH in Washington D.C. and the owner of Botanical Resource and Botanical Resource Med Spa in Clearwater, Florida. www.botanicalresource.com

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TOXIC FREE TALK RADIO
Why You Should Take Fish Oil and How to Choose the Right One For You

Host: Debra Lynn Dadd
Guest: Pamela Seefeld, R.Ph

Date of Broadcast: August 13, 2014

DEBRA: Hi, I’m Debra Lynn Dadd and this is Toxic Free Talk Radio, where we talk about how to thrive in a toxic world and live toxic-free and in fact, how to do things that are helpful and regenerative for those of us (which includes everybody) whose bodies have been damaged by toxic chemical exposure.

Whether you know it or not, if you live in this world today, that’s what’s happening. And your body, if you have any kind of health problems, any kind of illness, it’s probably being contributed to by your toxic chemical exposure for everyday products that you’re using in your own home and just being exposed to toxic chemicals when we go out in the world. There are things that we can do about those things. That’s what we’ll talk about on this show.

Today is Wednesday, August 13th. I’m here in Clearwater, Florida and it looks like we’re going to have some rain. It’s a foggy August here and that’s great because it cools it down.

Today, we’re going to be talking about fish oil. Not my favorite subject because I don’t eat anything from the sea. I never have since I was a child. But I know that fish oils are extremely important in keeping your body healthy. And we’re going to talk about different kinds of fish oil. How you can choose the ones that are right for you (and maybe we’ll see if we can find a fish oil for me). But they are very important, so we’ll find out about that.

My guest is Pamela Seefeld. She’s a pharmacist who specializes in medicinal plants and other natural substances in order to heal the body instead of giving people drugs. I met her because she has a shop here in Clearwater, Florida where I live and she helps people get off of their prescriptions and over-the-counter drugs and even psychiatric drugs. She knows how all these natural substances that can work to heal your body.

I am so impressed with the amount of information she has and the clarity with which she understands all of those that we’ve actually scheduled her every other Wednesday for the rest of the year and probably beyond. So you’re going to hear a lot from Pamela and I think you’re going to learn a lot.

Hi Pamela.

PAMELA SEEFELD: Hey, great to be here.

DEBRA: Thank you. For those people who weren’t here the last show and don’t know your background, just tell us a little bit about how you got interested in and what your viewpoint is about what you do.

PAMELA SEEFELD: I studied pharmacognosy at the University of Florida and pharmacognosy is the study of plant medicine. It’s a little bit more than herbalism, which is the study of the pharmacological properties of plants.

I’m also a pharmacist as well. My background is also in homeopathic medicine. I studied that in England and in Germany. And here in the United States, I’ve done extensive speaking, talking, and attending conferences that were in relation to pretty much every subject I’m interested in, which is basically all human health – a lot of cardio-vascular disease, a lot of mental health. I specialize in mental health more than anything probably.

What I really do is look at the pharmacological background of all the different plants and of the natural and homeopathic products that we’re using and to determine what’s best for most people from a pharmacological standpoint. In regular pharmacy, we learn that “this drug is for this disease and that drug is for that disease” and everything is pigeonholed. Natural products don’t necessarily work that way. It’s very important to realize that these have multiple effects on the body and the chemistry behind it is what I’m very good at.

DEBRA: And I will say that she is very good. After the last show, I went right down and said, “Okay, what should I take?” and she gave me a bag full of them. And I liked all of them.

PAMELA SEEFELD: That’s great. I know what I’m doing. I’ve been doing this a long time. That’s wonderful.

DEBRA: She really does. She really knows what she’s doing. The way I found out about Pamela was from a friend of mine whose mother had Alzheimer’s I think and was taking a whole lot of prescription drugs. My friend went down and Pamela replaced those drugs with natural drugs and his mom is doing a lot better. So I looked at that and I said, “I need to talk to this woman.”

So let’s start by telling us why are fish oils important?

PAMELA SEEFELD: Okay, so omega 3 fish oil are made up principally of EPA and DHA. That’s eicosapentaenoic acid and docosahexaenoic acid. You can see why they are shortened into acronyms. These particular products are in concentrations depending on how they process the fish.

The majority of the products that you see are going to be a 2:1 ratio of EPA to DHA. That’s how it normally comes from the fish. But the smaller a fish is, like a sardine for example, they have a shorter lifespan and they’re smaller. And so they have less time to concentrate toxins in the environment like mercury.

And that’s why tuna fish is really problematic because tuna is a very large fish and it has a longer time period to expose itself to things in the environment. And as a result, it can accumulate mercury and that’s why they’re always giving warnings that you don’t want to be eating too much tuna fish.

DEBRA: Oh.

PAMELA SEEFELD: Yes, did you know that? It’s cool, huh? And it’s very interesting.

DEBRA: Yeah, I didn’t know about the sizes of fish since I don’t eat fish.

PAMELA SEEFELD: Yes, the size and the lifespan of the fish matters. You have to think that it has a larger surface area and a greater chance to be able to concentrate. For us, it would be subcutaneous fat, the fat underneath the skin. That’s where things are stored.

When people look at tuna fish and giving it to small kids or to pregnant women, there are restrictions to how much they can eat. When you take in mercury, it doesn’t leave the body. And the bad part about mercury is that it has high acidity for the central nervous system, the brain. And we know that it’s directly related to cognitive impairment.

DEBRA: And so it’s not a good thing to be feeding children every day when they go to school.

PAMELA SEEFELD: They should not have that, no. Or I use homeopathic detox that can pull that out. You would want to use something to remove it if you’re going to be doing that. But really, in all honesty, young children should not be eating tuna fish. It doesn’t say that they shouldn’t be eating fatty fish. There are plenty of other fishes that are safer, but that would be the worst.

The safest thing to eat is probably sardines. And what they do when they go out and catch a school of sardines, they test them on the boat immediately. So the very high-quality oil, for the products that I use like OmegaBrite from Dr. Stoll (he’s a Harvard psychiatrist and I can talk a little more about that later with the mental health), these particular products that are very, very good, they buy these sardines that, they test that. They’re very pure and they buy them off the ship literally. That goes for the better, higher quality products. The lower grade oil, the less expensive brands, the mail order stuff, Costco, that kind of stuff, you know what I’m saying, not that they’re bad, but those lesser quality oils, those go for the cheaper products. So that makes sense.

So the more expensive products, the medical-grade products, they take the better quality oil because they don’t want the contaminants. And actually, when they go and purify them, they use what is called fractional distillation, which is how they process petroleum. They use these column filtrations and different products are put off at different areas depending on how they go through these microbeads. It’s really very interesting.

DEBRA: That is interesting to me. I just want to emphasize what you just said because I understand what fractional distillation is from studying petrochemicals.

PAMELA SEEFELD: Exactly!

DEBRA: So what it does is that – and correct me if I’m wrong – they heat it up, but then different things will evaporate at different temperatures.

PAMELA SEEFELD: Correct, and doing this separates out the components that we have –the fish protein, the components that have contaminants, things like that.

But what’s important to know is that the concentration of the EPA and the DHA has unique effects on the body and that’s leading up to mental health. It can turn on 300 different genes in the body and those are the ones they know about. It can be for cardiovascular disease, it can be for mental health, it works for children.

It’s a bunch of different topics we’re going to hit on today, but what I would say is that it’s important to realize that it’s all encompassing for all individuals. It can address a lot of different things in the body which are very important.

Luckily, fish oil doesn’t have one specific assignment. And it’s important to know that when you first start taking fish oil, the organs have very high affinity for fish oil – the heart, the lungs, the liver. They can actually radio-label these fish oils. And when they’re first given to somebody who hasn’t really taken supplementation in the past, we see that those areas light up the first.

So when you’re treating somebody for mental health, you really have to load the body with omega 3’s in the beginning because you have to realize that the first few weeks, these body organs are going to take the majority of it and the central nervous system will see very little of it.

DEBRA: Oh, I see. So, when you give people fish oil, or anything else, then certain parts of the body are going to take it first then other areas will…

PAMELA SEEFELD: That’s exactly right. That is important to know.

DEBRA: That is very important to know. We need to go to break. We’re going to find out more when we come back. You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd and I’m here with Pamela Seefeld, pharmacist and pharmacognocist – I don’t even know how to say that word.

PAMELA SEEFELD: Pamela dispenses good, natural substances. We’ll be right back.

= COMMERCIAL BREAK =

DEBRA: I’m Debra Lynn Dadd and my guest today is Pamela Seefeld. She is a – okay, I’m going to get it now, “pharmacognosist.”

PAMELA SEEFELD: Yes!

DEBRA: I was practicing during the break. The thing I really want to remember about this word (because I looked it up at the last show), the key part of it is, well, “pharma” means “drug,” but then “cog” is like the word, “cognitive” or “cognition” and it means “knowledge.” And so these are “drugs with knowledge.” They work differently from drugs that don’t have knowledge. They’re natural and they have all that good information that comes from nature that is in there because it’s a natural substance and it works with our bodies in a knowledgeable way, pharmacognosist.

PAMELA SEEFELD: Correct.

DEBRA: Now, I want to ask about something that you said. You talked about medical-grade supplements. So I just want you to tell us the difference between medical-grade and what people just buy from the drugstore.

PAMELA SEEFELD: All right. That’s a really good question. So, medical-grade oils, like I said, are going to be prepared from the sardines that are very small fishes, shorter lifespans, caught in very clean waters and they’re tested in the boat. Those particular products will go for the medical-grade oils. What I normally would recommend is, especially if you’re using it for mental health or for wellness, when you’re using products that are not medical-grade, there is a risk of having contaminants in there and also, the way the oils have been handled.

The higher grade oils are going to go for the better products. A lot of times, what we use, especially from a mental health standpoint because these people, technically, a lot of times already have issues with mercury, arsenic, lead, and pesticides, these things go freely in and out of the central nervous system and it affects people’s cognition, mood, and depression. And a lot of times, when you remove those things out with a homeopathic detox, you can normally correct some of that.

Especially if you’re doing this for mental health, but you’re also doing it for cardiovascular disease, you want to have a medical-grade oil. And some of the products that I use are from Nordic Naturals and they have a medical health line that’s different from the health food store line. That’s actually a higher grade product.

DEBRA: So can people buy medical-grade? I know my doctor gives me professional-grade vitamins and I have to get them from him. I can’t order from another professional. I can’t just go to the natural food store and pick these up.

PAMELA SEEFELD: Well, that’s a good question. The products that you’re going to have at the natural food store are not bad. I’m not saying that they’re bad. It’s just that they will not be specifically geared for your indication, what you’re trying to treat. And the quality of the oil might have some contaminants in it. That’s possible.

When people call me or they come here in person, I usually ask them, “Are you depressed? Do you have a lot of energy? Do you have a lot of stress? Do you have a lot of anxiety? Are you having trouble sleeping? Are you having trouble with work?” because most people inherently have something else going on in their lives.

A lot of times, people will read or watch a television show and it says, “take fish oil,” and they know they should take it. They’re going to grab a product and take it from the shelf. They’re going to ask the lady at the health food store and she’s going to say, “Oh, this is good,” but it’s inherent to look and important to see that the concentration that you use will affect the way your brain works. And that’s the beauty of it. You need to decide on the product.

For example, there’s a product I use quite a bit called OmegaBrite. OmegaBrite is from Dr. Andrew Stoll. He’s a Harvard psychiatrist. He did a double-blind placebo-controlled trial with Zoloft, which is a drug used for depression.

And in the trial, the fish oil product that he came up with had actually more anti-depressant effects than Zoloft. There are clinical trials with this. So I use that product a lot even for people who aren’t depressed, but also for people who need more energy, for people transitioning from a serotonin reuptake inhibitor like Paxil and Prozac and some of these drugs because the clinical data showed that you can actually come off the medicine with that product.

I’m not saying randomly take a fish oil. You want to take one that is specific to your particular need.

DEBRA: I know you have five different kinds of fish oils. You have multiple fish oils. And so I think that if someone probably wanted to take a fish oil, the smartest thing to do would be to have you help them choose which one it is.

PAMELA SEEFELD: That is important, yes, because what they are going to choose from the store (it doesn’t mean that the product’s bad), you want to have something that is going to inherently enhance your life, right? So if you have a lot of stress, you want it to take the stress away. And normally for that, I use a DHA to EPA ratio of 4.5:1 and that was shown to be very effective for ADD, ADHD, scattered thinking, anxiety, and a lot of stress. It takes that off the brain.

And it’s really interesting too to note that EPA, when it goes into the brain, it has its own transport protein that moves it into the brain and that’s what causes this mood-elevating effect. But when they autopsy, they only find DHA in the brain. So these things actually interconvert. They’re thinking that it’s actually converting. That conversion process in the brain is why it’s causing that mood-elevating process.

There’s a lot of chemistry and science that backs up which product you need to use and I will be very grateful to talk to anybody that has a question about what oil they want to use to treat their mental health issue, whether they’re on medicines or not. They can call me at 727-442-4955 and I’ll be glad to tell them which concentration they use for which product.

DEBRA: Yeah, it really is one of the things that I think is so fascinating about what Pamela does. She really is approaching it as a pharmacist where it’s not just about taking something at random and not knowing how it affects the body. She knows how it affects the body, but also what goes with what condition.

It’s a very exact, precise thing. And that’s so different from just hearing advertisement that you should take fish oil or whatever that supplement might be and taking it on a random basis. When I had her choose my supplements, it was just right on.

We need to go to break. Actually, we have 15 seconds. Pamela, why don’t you give your phone number again.

PAMELA SEEFELD: Yes, it’s 727-442-4955.

DEBRA: Okay, so now we’re going to go to break. It’s so tough to not ask a question before we have to come on to break. You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I am Debra Lynn Dadd and my guest today is Pamela Seefeld and she has so much to say. So when we come back, she’ll tell us more about fish oils. We’ll be right back.

= COMMERCIAL BREAK =

DEBRA: You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd and my guest today is Pamela Seefeld. She’s a pharmacognosist who dispenses medicinal plants and other natural substances to heal the body instead of drugs. In fact, she helps them off drugs if they’re on drugs, and she’s really, really good at what she does. Okay Pamela, what else do you have to tell us about fish oils?

PAMELA SEEFELD: This is pretty good. In preparation for the show today, I went on the Library of Medicine, the National Library of Medicine, which is nih.gov. And the National Library of Medicine has all the articles all over the world about health. And these are studies that people conduct, clinical trials, and you can read about these different trials and what their results are.

I went and did a search, which is called a MedLine search. I went to see some of the newer articles, some of the newer studies that show some of the benefits of fish oils so we could have some timely and really interesting information to talk about today (besides all the other things we can discuss).

So a brand new study just came out last month and it’s talking about cardiovascular disease, omega 3 fatty acids, fish oils and what it does for the cardiovascular risk factors. And this is very interesting. We find that when people are taking fish oil, we know that their lipids go down. Fish oil will raise HDL, the good cholesterol, and lowers the triglycerides. In fact, fish oil, if you look historically at all the studies combined, fish oil will lower triglycerides 30% per month, which is a huge number.

In fact, I found one study that talked about patients that are on hemodialysis. These people are really highly at risk for cardiovascular disease and for heart attack. Taking the omega 3’s in a higher EPA to DHA ratio raised up their good cholesterol and lowered their triglycerides more significantly than medication. It’s very important to these people especially if they have any type of illness to be taking it.

But this is really interesting. We find that it lowers blood pressure, and also at the same time, it helps for people to lose weight. We’ve known for a long time that it’s anti-inflammatory and it has antioxidant effects as well. So these things work collectively all through the body to prevent heart disease. It’s very interesting that it’s so significant on multiple things.

Most people that have had heart attack risk factors, they’re going to have high blood pressure and high lipids. You think all go in together. Really, fish oil is all encompassing to take that down.

DEBRA: I want to ask you a question first. You’re telling me all these great things. I’m listening to this and I’m thinking, “I should be taking fish oils.” But I know for myself that I’ve tried to take them in past and also, I don’t eat any kind of seafood at all because my body just doesn’t like it.

I know some people who have difficulty swallowing the pill, and you have a trick for that. But also for people who are allergic to fish, are there other things that they can take that are comfortable? And why do things like walnuts have a lot of omega 3’s? Why would that not be as good as fish oil?

PAMELA SEEFELD: That’s a very good question. Okay, so omega 3’s, when we take them in in fish oil, a medical-grade product does not have anaphylactic, which is the throat closing up, we need to go to the hospital, call EMF and that type of thing. They probably could take a fish oil product that’s medical-grade and I could assist them in that because the fish protein that people react to would have been removed, but the lesser-quality products, it would still be present. That’s right there. When you take omega 3…

DEBRA: That’s a huge, important thing to know. That’s a huge, important thing to know because I really thought that all fish oil would be the same.

PAMELA SEEFELD: No, and that’s probably the general consensus because we would think that the FDA’s regulating it, the products are all the same. But really, in reality, the medical-grade products will have gone through a much higher degree of scrutinization than the other products that you’re going to get, “buy two, get one free” that kind of stuff if you use mail order, things that come to your house.

Those products, like I said, are going to be the poor-quality fish and they’re not going to go through the extra processing because that’s going to cost money. I really respect people’s time and money. You know that being in here. This isn’t like a big markup kind of thing. I look up to see what is someone’s value and what works within their budget to get the best product. People that have real allergies to fish oil, they really need to check and talk to a pharmacist like myself that can tell them what to use.

But going back to what’s in food. When you take walnuts or flax seeds or these types of things that have omega 3, you’re still absorbing a lot of the omega 3, but you have fiber with it too. Deending on what you’re eating at the same time will depend on how much of a peak you get in the bloodstream.

So I’ll give you an example. If you take a fish oil capsule in the morning but you have it with an apple, and you don’t have any fat in the meal, your absorption peak in the bloodstream, which is what you want, is going to be pretty low.

So I tell people the trick, when you’re taking omega 3’s or any kind of medical-grade oil, you want to have a small amount of fat present at the time you consume the food. So it doesn’t have to be tons of oil or anything. It can be almonds along with the fish oil or something that has some fat.

I like to drizzle olive oil on a lot of things. That’s what I use. If you have the taste of fat in your mouth prior to taking the supplement, you get a much higher peak in the bloodstream and that’s really where the trick is. Otherwise, you’re not absorbing most of it.

DEBRA: That is so useful. If you didn’t say anything else on the show today, just knowing that one thing – because people are taking so many supplements and spending so much money on supplements, and to know that there are so many ways to take them that would make them more effective on the body, that is very, very important to know.

PAMELA SEEFELD: Well, it is. And I think that from my background, being from pharmacology, what I do is really unique. There are million vitamin stores around the country, but not many people know about the chemistry behind food and behind supplements and how it can work in the body.

And that’s very important to know because when I prescribe a regimen for somebody and I say that you need certain doses put in your diet and certain products, it’s very important that they know that you should take this with this type of food or that type of food.

If you’re going to spend the money and take the time, you’re going to want a high peak in the bloodstream. You don’t want to have a low peak because you’re taking the supplements and they’re not going to be used for what you want them to be for.

Another interesting study I found (and I think you’ll find this pretty neat) is that when we combine fish oil – this I another study that was just published this year talking about intestinal inflammation. When we look at inflammation in the gastrointestinal tract, we know that a lot of people have irritable bowel syndrome, Crohn’s Disease, all these different inflammatory diseases in the bowel.

What the studies found is that if you consume bioflavonoids like quercetin – you can get those in vegetables and fruits. Quercetin is very highly-concentrated in apple and in onion just to name a few. But quercetin is in three-quarters of our plants), if you combine the two together, they react to protein which is a measurement of inflammation that’s very dangerous, it comes down 75%, just combining the fish oil with the bioflavonoid.

So what does this mean for us and our diet?

DEBRA: But before you answer that, we need to go to break. We’re going to have a cliff hanger. You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd and my guest today is pharmacognosist Pamela Seefeld and we’re talking about fish oils. We’ll be right back.

= COMMERCIAL BREAK =

DEBRA: You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio, I’m Debra Lynn Dadd. And my guest today is pharmacognosist Pamela Seefeld. She helps people find healing plants and other natural substances to help heal their bodies instead of drugs. So, go on with what you were saying before the break.

PAMELA SEEFELD: Okay, so we were talking about ways to improve absorption of different food with fish oil and about bioflavonoids along with fish oil. There are three bioflavonoids in herbal medicine: quercetin (which was originally found in onion); hesperidin (which was found around the pitty part around grapefruit); and we use rutin (which was originally found in buckwheat). So that’s where they were originally isolated from the plant.

It’s so important that when you’re taking fish oil as a product, we need to have real food in our diet as well as taking supplements. People that are just taking supplements and not looking at their nutrition at the same time are really missing a key concept and a part in fixing their illnesses in their body.

So the beauty of it is that we find that when combining the two – you can take quercetin in a pill too. I use homeopathic bioflavonoids as well. When you take those, they incorporate together in the body and they create a decrease in inflammation that is much more significant than fish oil by itself.

DEBRA: Wow, this is so fascinating to me that 1) nature does this and 2) that you understand all this because it all just makes sense to me.

PAMELA SEEFELD: Nature is really unique and it’s very special. People really underestimate the intelligence of plants and I say that very figuratively. The enzymes that are in the plants are the same enzymes that are in our liver that metabolize medicine and pesticides. The plants have the same P50 enzymes, which to me is just very amazing.

And what’s nice is that the bioflavonoids in plants are there to keep the vascular structure intact, so that the leaves are taunt and sitting up straight and they can have photosynthesis. But when we take those into our body, they do the same exact thing to our blood vessels…

DEBRA: Oh, I love this.

PAMELA SEEFELD: Isn’t it unbelievable?

DEBRA: No, it’s believable. It’s so right. I love how right it is that of course, there are these functions that happen throughout nature, that they need to happen in the plant, they need to happen in our bodies and you can put them together and they’ll perform the same function.

PAMELA SEEFELD: The same exact function and the same little assignment. They go to the same places in the body as they do in the plant and they come, repair, and heal us. Taking and picking the right supplements and the right concentration based on your level of stress, are you sleeping, especially for children. We really didn’t touch too much on kids. We can probably do a whole show just on children.

Children are so important not to be on medication. All these kids on all these medicines for attention deficit and hyperactivity, you can take omega 3’s and the DHA to EPA 4.5:1 and see a miraculous difference in the child’s behavior with no drug. And there are studies that can show this with a few simple supplements that’s very inexpensive.

We need to look at mental health as being the forefront of treatment, because if you’re not feeling well and things are not convalescing in society, you’re not doing well with all your things that you have going on, it’s really going to be hard to occupy yourself with creating something to get over other health issues.

DEBRA: Right.

PAMELA SEEFELD: So this is interesting. I wanted to say one more thing. There’s a study that just came out this month, August 1st and this was talking about osteoporosis and obesity. These are major problems that affect a lot of people going into middle age and going into their golden years, right?

We see all these women walking around and they’re all taking calcium and D and they’re having lots of trouble with their spine. My grandmother used to call it “settling”, when the spinal cord starts to settle and they lose height.

Well, the new studies show that taking fish oil – this was just published – affects the skeletal response. What they’re saying here is that when you take fish oil, it’s associated with increase in bone density and a weight loss as well. It also seems to be particularly helpful in the spine.

This is where you see a lot of people hunched over and their posture’s not good anymore, they’re having trouble with compression, which is called “stenosis” where you have narrowing of the spine. The fish oil, believe it or not, actually helps build bone density. This is pretty new information. This was just published.

There are other reasons. Everyone’s taking all this calcium. Calcium’s not the problem. The problem is that the calcium is not staying in the bone. That’s what the real problem is. And it looks like fish oil works on the receptor called the peroxisome proliferator and it looks like it works on PPAR, which is really interesting. People are looking for other ways to build bone density other than just taking calcium and D.

DEBRA: Wow. Wow.

PAMELA SEEFELD: Isn’t that neat? This was literally just published.

DEBRA: Yeah, it is so neat. I think that you have such a different way of looking at things than the standard medical way of looking at things. I understand what you’re talking about because many years ago, I discovered for myself that if I want to heal something, look to nature. In nature, there is a regenerative factor that isn’t in things that are man-made in a factory or in a laboratory. And I think we’re just going to keep finding that the answers to everything that we see as a problem is all going to be found in nature.

And so I’m not surprised to hear about all these studies and it just delights me because we should be healthy. Our natural state should be health. And so the fact that plants and fish oils and all these things can help us restore ourselves, I just think is wonderful.

I wanted to just ask you one more thing. Let’s come back to the medical-grade. I asked my doctor once about professional-grade supplements and he said to me that one of the differences between medical-grade and the stuff that you buy from the natural food store or the drugstore, is that they’re really designed to be more dose-specific, so that somebody like you or somebody else who is a health professional could look at it as giving something as therapeutic, rather than simply giving somebody vitamin C or giving vitamin C for a purpose. Did I get that right?

PAMELA SEEFELD: Right. That was very well-spoken. What we’re seeing is that a lot of people will read an article or see something on TV or know that they’re supposed to be taking supplements of fish oil perhaps and they go take something off the shelf and they ask somebody at the health food store, “Is this good or bad?”

But most people, especially when you’re looking at what’s encompassing the whole family, you are going to need to take something that is going to be specific for your needs. And mental health is the first and foremost like if you have mild depression and you just think it’s an astoundingly hard day, “I can’t believe I have to go through this again,” or if you have a lot of stress, stress at work or stress at family.

It’s important that if you’re going to take omega 3, then you need to take one that will be absorbed, that you will know exactly what food you need to consume with it to get the highest peak in the bloodstream, and something that has a high affinity with the brain.

Actually, I even use homeopathy, believe or not, I use it. There are circulation enhancers to bring it to a higher concentration in the brain. It’s for when I have people that really want to get a fast result.

DEBRA: Wow, I love this.

PAMELA SEEFELD: It works really good. “We don’t have all day, we’re going to get this done this week. We’re going to front-low. We’re going to try to push it into the brain at a higher rate.” That’s the beauty of using the natural products along with homeopathy. It works fantastically.

DEBRA: Okay, so we have two minutes left. And this is my last question. There are all these different kinds of fish that are used in fish oil, like anchovies, sardines, krill, and all these things. Can you just tell us what they are and something about them?

PAMELA SEEFELD: The anchovies are en even smaller fish than the sardine, so their quality of oil is very good as well. What we find is that when we’re talking about the different qualities of oil, when they catch a school of fish and there are these anchovies, sardines, salmon, they test it and the higher quality oils are going to the companies that sell medical-grade. They buy that immediately. They pay top-dollar for that.

The others go to more junkie stuff, things that are more mass market and not sold to professionals. They’re just at regular health food stores or places like that, chains. And it’s interesting that the sardines, the bottom level go to the grocery store. So it doesn’t mean that it’s bad, but you’re getting the ones that the other companies didn’t want.

The krill oil is better because it has more free form fatty acids than fish oil does. But in my opinion, and I looked at this quite a bit because I revisit it all the time, I don’t think necessarily that the krill is better over the fish oil. And the reason that I say this is that it’s not necessarily the amount of free fatty acids that are in there. What determines how something is going to work in your body is what you’re consuming with it at the same time to get the right peak.

Remember how I was talking about how your body releases biomasses and as a result, you get a peak in the bloodstream? I think a lot of people are taking these different types of oils and they’re getting what is called a sub-therapeutic response, “Fish oil didn’t work for me.” Well, were you taking the right product that fits what you’re eating, and are you looking to trying to get the highest peak in the bloodstream? There are little tricks to do that and I think a lot of people, the reason why…

DEBRA: I need to interrupt you because the end of the show music is about to come in in 10 seconds. I want to tell you that her website is Botanical Resource. Give your phone number again and then we’re going to be saying good bye.

PAMELA SEEFELD: Oh my gosh! Yes, it’s 727-442-4955.

DEBRA: And you’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd. You can go to ToxicFreeTalkRadio.com and find out more about the show. Be well!

Preventing and Healing Cancer with Natural Care and Detox

Dr-Douglas-Levine.gifMy guest today is Douglas R. Levine, DC, founding Executive Director of “Life After Cancer Network” a non-profit cancer survivor’s organization dedicated to the natural restoration of health to people who have had cancer, their families and caregivers. I invited him to be a guest after receiving an email promo from him for a new free mobile app to help people get and stay healthy and cancer free for people who are interested in cancer prevention, hair testing, detox, and overall health. He wrote, ” I was shocked to see what my own hair results yielded last year…TOXIC! I reached out to a Life After Cancer Network provider and he showed me how to detox naturally.” So we’ll be talking about how to survive cancer, and prevent having it in the first place. Dr. Levine is a licensed Chiropractic Physician in New Jersey, New York and Massachusetts. He has been in private practice in Bergenfield, New Jersey since 1983. He holds a Bachelors of Arts Degree in Natural Science/Mathematics from Answer to Cancer – A guide to living cancer-freeThomas Edison State College in Trenton, NJ. He also received his Master’s Degree in Human Nutrition from the University Of Bridgeport, Connecticut. He received his Doctor of Chiropractic from New York College, Old Brookville, New York. Dr. Levine has written the best selling book ‘Answer to Cancer – A guide to living cancer-free’, sold worldwide to educate and create public awareness about the importance of natural strategies for lowering a person’s risk of getting cancer as well as preventing it all together. www.lifeaftercancernetwork.org

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TOXIC FREE TALK RADIO
Preventing and Healing Cancer with Natural Care and Detox

Host: Debra Lynn Dadd
Guest: Douglas R. Levine, DC

Date of Broadcast: August 12, 2014

DEBRA: Hi, I’m Debra Lynn Dadd. This is Toxic Free Talk Radio where we talk about how to survive in a toxic world and live toxic free. It’s Tuesday August 12th, 2014 here in Clearwater, Florida. We might have a little rain here in. Here in Clearwater, August is known as foggy August because this is our big rain month. But what it does, it’s a cool spring process. Nature’s air-conditioning and it’s great.

So today, we’re going to talk about cancer, some toxic chemicals and detox, and how we can prevent cancer by paying attention to the toxic chemicals that cause cancer.

My guest is Dr. Douglas R. Levine, D.C. and he is the Founding Executive Director of Life After Cancer Network. It’s a nonprofit cancer survivor’s organization dedicated to the natural restoration of health—so people who have had cancer, their families and caregivers. So they also address people not getting cancer in the first place.

I invited him to be a guest after I received an email promo from him about a new free mobile app that they have to help people get and stay healthy and cancer-free. And in that promo, he said that he was shocked—he did the hair testing. And then he said that he was “shocked to see what my own hair results yielded—toxic. I reached out to a Life After Cancer Network provider, and he showed me how to detox naturally.”

So I thought, “Here’s a man after my own heart.” He’s looking at the causes of cancer being related to toxic chemical exposure, so of course I had to have him on the show.

Welcome, Dr. Levine.

DOUGLAS LEVINE: Hey.

DEBRA: Hi. Are you there? Can you hear me?

DOUGLAS LEVINE: Yeah, I’m here. Yup.

DEBRA: Oh, I thought—now, I’ve got you. How are you today?

DOUGLAS LEVINE: I’m well, thank you.

DEBRA: Good. So, tell us how you got interested—obviously, you’re a doctor of chiropractic.

DOUGLAS LEVINE: Yes.

DEBRA: So how did you get interested specifically in helping people with cancer and how did you find that—I mean, usually the track is not, “Let’s look at carcinogens and natural health.” Usually, the track is something like using toxic chemicals in order to try to kill the cancer.

DOUGLAS LEVINE: Yes.

DEBRA: So, how did you get into doing what you’re doing?

DOUGLAS LEVINE: Okay. That’s a good question. It started from my own personal experience of having cancer. I’m a cancer survivor. At the age of 19, I was in college and I noticed that my body was going through some changes. I started to suffer from night sweats, severe headaches, rapid weight loss. I couldn’t sleep at night. It got to the point where I lost about 30 pounds in two weeks. I knew something was wrong.

And then I realized one day, I woke up and I had a baseball-sized growth over my clavicle which is right near the shoulder.

So, I went to Columbia Presbyterian. They did some biopsies and they diagnosed me with having Hodgkin’s disease. So here I am, a 19-year-old with Hodgkin’s disease, feeling very confused, shocked. I decided to go through the standard treatment which was surgery, radiation, and chemotherapy.

What I realized from my experience is that I lost a tremendous amount of weight, my treatment ended, and I didn’t know what to do after that like many survivors back then and even now. What I did was I started to do some research on my own. I start to research things like toxic exposure, eating healthy, things that I really wasn’t aware of.

I eventually got some very good health advice from a local chiropractic physician down the block from me to the point where I became a chiropractic physician.

That translated into wanting to help people naturally. I then wrote a best-selling book called After the Cancer on cancer survivorship, prevention. And as expected, I knew that book would sell a lot of copies because there are people eager out there trying to figure out what they can do to prevent recurrence and prevent cancer altogether.

So, I basically belonged to a club that I never really had any intention of joining. And as a result, I had become a member with the 13.7 million cancer survivors that are alive today in the United States.

DEBRA: Well, I think that probably everybody knows somebody with cancer who had either not survived or survived.

And I can say that in my own life, my first experience with cancer was with my mother—no, actually my grandmother. Both my grandmothers died of cancer. My mother died of cancer at age 51. DEBRA: My best friend is a cancer survivor. I have another good friend who is just recovering from breast cancer. I knew another woman who was in an organization that I belonged to and she died of breast cancer. It’s just like it’s all around.

DOUGLAS LEVINE: It’s an epidemic and the numbers—I do talks all over the country to physicians and to the general public.

And when they are brought to the statistics that you do not see in magazines, newspapers, or radio, they were amazed to see that 1.6 million people this year got cancer. That’s just this year. And by 2020, those numbers are going to jump to 2.2 million people a year.

There’s not going to be enough cancer centers or oncologists to treat all the people. This epidemic is continuing to increase.

So, it’s becoming a huge problem. No one’s really talking about it. No one’s actually trying to deal with issues or preventions, reducing risk factors, all these things that are affecting people’s health.

So, [pledge] practicing is actually my cause to help people because the federal government is not getting involved. No one is getting involved. Someone’s got to get involved, and that’s me.

DEBRA: Well, I’m glad that you’re here and I’m glad you’re doing what you’re doing because it’s been very clear to me for more than 30 years that there are chemicals, very specific chemicals called carcinogens (those are the chemicals that are known to cause cancer. We all know that cigarette smoking causes cancer, that’s pretty widely known), but there are all kinds of carcinogens that are in all kinds of products that we’re using every day that we’re not even aware of.

And so, for me, it’s really important to know where those toxic chemicals are and to reduce our exposures to them and I think that by doing—not that that’s the 100% solution. But by doing that, it greatly reduces our risk of getting cancer.

DOUGLAS LEVINE: Yeah, I absolutely agree with you. For your listeners, there are different ways you can get cancer. I’m going to break it down as simply as possible.

Cancer is basically a disease where cells lose their intelligence. They go out of control, and they start to embed themselves in normal tissue and literally take over the body.

A risk factor is anything that increases a person’s chance of getting a disease. Now, risk factors can be what’s called modifiable or non-modifiable. A non-modifiable risk factor is something that we cannot change. For example, as we age and more cells keep dividing, just the mere fact of getting cancer as we get older, that risk factor goes up because we’re just getting older.

The median age of getting cancer is 66, if you’re born a man or a woman. If you’re born a woman, you have a hundred times greater chance of getting breast cancer than if you are a man. So yes, men do get breast cancer.

Another non-modifiable risk factor is if you’re born Caucasian or if you’re African American. If you’re an African American male, you have a greater risk factor of getting prostate cancer than if you are a Caucasian male. The other side of it is that Caucasian women have a greater chance of getting breast cancer than Asian, African American, or Hispanic women.

DEBRA: So that has a lot to do with it. I need to interrupt you about for a second because we need to go to the break. But when we come back…

DOUGLAS LEVINE: Sure.

DEBRA: …we’ll talk more about this.

DOUGLAS LEVINE: You bet.

DEBRA: And I also want you to tell us specifically about the carcinogenic chemicals that people are people exposed to everyday.

You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. My guest today is Douglas R. Levine, Doctor of Chiropractic and Executive Director of Life After Cancer Network. His website is LifeAfterCancerNetwork.org. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd and we’ll be right back.

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DEBRA: You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd. My guest today is Douglas R. Levine, D.C. Founding Executive Director of Life After Cancer Network and author of Answer to Cancer. And you can find that book on Amazon. If you to go ToxicFreeTalkRadio.com and read the description of this show, you can link right through and get his—what is it, 459 pages?

DOUGLAS LEVINE: It’s four hundred—and actually, I had to shave it a little bit. I’ll have to say it with a volume two I think.

DEBRA: So you were telling us about the risk factors…

DOUGLAS LEVINE: Modifiable and non-modifiable, right. Modifiable.

DEBRA: Yeah, yeah.

DOUGLAS LEVINE: So those non-modifiable risk factors are things that we can’t change. What we do have control over are things that are modifiable.

A modifiable risk factor is, basically, if you’re a smoker, you need to stop smoking because it causes cancer. If you are above your normal BMI or body mass index, that is a risk factor for getting cancer or for recurrence. And then we have things like environmental pollutants, alcohol, prescription drugs, food additives, contaminants. All those things are risk factors.

So those are things that people need to take a closer look at, understand that being exposed to these things daily, weekly, monthly, yearly puts you at risk of getting things like breast cancer, colon cancer, leukemia, all these different things. So people need to be aware of this.

DEBRA: I think one of the things that has changed the most in the way I view things having—I got interested in this subject because I became very sick from toxic chemical exposure. It was an immune system problem, not cancer. But the thing that I realized is that we tend to think that this is the way life is, that what you see on TV and how we all live. That’s the normal life and then it’s normal to get cancer. People get cancer and people get heart disease, and this is the way it is. But it isn’t that way.

DOUGLAS LEVINE: It isn’t that way. It isn’t that way.

DEBRA: It isn’t that way. It’s not normal.

DOUGLAS LEVINE: It is not normal.

DEBRA: It’s not normal that you should go through life, and then when you’re 55 or 65 or whatever, then you’re going to get sick and you’re going to go in a rest home, and you’re going to have a big hospital bill, and that’s what your life is going to be like because your body just wears out or something.

It really is the way we live and there are so many things that we can do. And that’s what this show is about, really. It’s to identify those things that cause harm to us and to have more information about the things that are good things that we can do.

But the first thing I think is just changing your mind about being able to see that there’s another way to live and it’s not “normal” that we’re going to all end up getting cancer just because—it’s like I think that there are all these statistics that say, “This is the way it is.” And then people go, “Well, yeah. That’s the way it is,” instead of thinking outside the box and saying, “We could create something different.”

DOUGLAS LEVINE: Right! It’s not sticking with conformity. It’s being a non-conformist. To me, a non-conformist [inaudible 00:13:30] can be conformity in a way because it’s getting people back to basics, it’s getting people to eat health, think health, and do healthy things.

As we instruct people through our network and I instruct people even in my own office, the body has rules and the body has laws that govern it, and the body is self-healing, the body is self-regulating. However, if you start to break those laws and if you start to expose the body to things that are not good for it, it’s going to revolt and you’re going to get sick.

So it’s making a conscious choice about what you think every day, what you read every day, what you eat every day, and what you want to expose your body to is going to ensure that you stay healthy for the long term.

I always tell people I don’t mind getting older, I just want to have a good quality life. People don’t realize that men have a one in two risk of getting cancer in their lifetime, and women, one in three. And that number is getting close to one in two.

One in six men gets prostate cancer. One in eight women gets breast cancer. I mean, these numbers are staggering. And these numbers are going to continue to rise unless people start to become educated about the healthy things that they can do in their life.

DEBRA: Tell us about some of the things—we only have a couple of minutes before we need to go to break, but tell us about some of the things that you changed in your life to not be exposed to carcinogenic chemicals.

DOUGLAS LEVINE: Eating. Number one is food. Basically, if people have a chance to eat produce from local farmers, I encourage it because they haven’t been adulterated with pesticides.

I encourage people to eat organic. That’s one of the things that I’ve done immediately. People need to be aware of the benefits of eating organic. And, yes, it’s a little bit more money. That’s true. But we’re talking about putting food in our body and that’s the gasoline that runs our machine.

So, eating is the number one thing that people can start with. There are other things. Basically, one of the best detoxifiers in the world is exercise. Sweating is by far—and moving your body is something that benefits the body. So these things, again, help ensure to keep the body healthy.

After the break, I’m sure we’ll talk about things like home products, helpful products that people just take for granted, and they contain substances that are cancer-causing, so people need to be aware of that as well.

DEBRA: They do.

We’ll talk about that when we come back. But I want to tell you, there’s a book you may be familiar with, called Toxin Toxout.

It’s a new book that’s by the authors of Slow Duck by Rubber Duck and he was on—one of the authors was on the show.

The whole premise of the book Toxin Toxout was to test out all the different detox methods, and he said the number one thing to do to detox is exercise and sweat.

DOUGLAS LEVINE: Number one.

DEBRA: That’s the number one thing that they found was most effective.

DOUGLAS LEVINE: Yup.

DEBRA: So they’re in agreement with you. And I’m in agreement with you about not eating pesticides, about organic because I’ve seen a number of studies that show that if you just stop eating food that has pesticides on it within several days, a lot of those pesticides will just clear out of your body. You don’t even need to do anything to detox. Your body will just clear those pesticides.

DOUGLAS LEVINE: The body is self-healing. The body is self-regulating.

DEBRA: Yes. Yes, it is.

DOUGLAS LEVINE: And that’s it.

DEBRA: It is. It is. We just need to not defy it.

DOUGLAS LEVINE: Right.

DEBRA: So we’re going to—yes. You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd. And my guest today is Douglas R. Levine, Doctor of Chiropractic, Founding Executive Director of Life After Cancer Network and author of Answer to Cancer. His website is LifeAfterCancerNetwork.org. We’ll be right back.

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DEBRA: You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. My guest today is Douglas R. Levine, Doctor of Chiropractic. He’s also the Founding Executive Director of Life After Cancer Network and author of Answer to Cancer. So Dr. Levine, you were going to tell us about carcinogens and household products.

DOUGLAS LEVINE: Carcinogens and household products, there are many and probably too numerous to mention this show.

DEBRA: Give us some specific examples though.

DOUGLAS LEVINE: Specific examples?

DEBRA: Like if you were to…

DOUGLAS LEVINE: Let’s see, things like ethylene-based glycol which is used as a cleaning agent. There are other things like compounds called terpenes, which are found in lemon, pine, orange oil. Those are carcinogenic compounds. People know that if they go swimming in a pool and they get water in their mouth, they spit it out because there’s chlorine in it. So these are things that are just not good for the body.

DEBRA: Yes. Well, let’s talk more specifically about heavy metals because that was what you mentioned in your promo piece.

And so let’s talk a little bit about how your network helps people identify these things. So one of the things that you offer is hair testing. That is specific for heavy metals to find out—and heavy metals, most of them cause cancer, right?

DOUGLAS LEVINE: There are many that have been associated with cancer and/or other health-related problems that people would not put two and two together.

DEBRA: Yeah.

DOUGLAS LEVINE: How hair analysis work is that hair is basically considered an excretory organ. That means that you have hair on your body. That hair follicle is in touch with your blood stream. So you have blood circulating through our body and hair will accumulate things like the normal minerals in our body. But it will attach itself or heavy metals will attach itself to hair, so hair can be used as a diagnostic tool for metals that have no physiological benefits to the body. These things are things like lead, cadmium, arsenic, mercury, nickel, and the list goes on.

So, what people do is they take a sample of their hair, usually from the head, about maybe a teaspoon worth and they send it to a lab. The lab actually breaks down your hair to see if you’ve had any heavy metal exposure.

We try to encourage people different ways to get the lead out, so to speak, so they can restore the normal physiology in the body. It uses a testing tool—I do it in my office, but there are other practioners throughout the country that do it. This doesn’t have to be through the network, but we have people all over the country that do it to try to educate people about toxic element exposure and it could affect their health.

DEBRA: When you were talking about this—obviously, I’ve known about hair testing for many, many years. In fact, I think I’ve had my hair tested more than once. But for the first time, when I was listening to you talk about this, I was thinking about,

“Well, if hair is a…”—what was it you called it? It was a…

DOUGLAS LEVINE: An excretory organ.

DEBRA: Excretory organ?

DOUGLAS LEVINE: Yeah. Yeah, right. So basically, it’s like a suitcase for things that are going through the blood stream.

DEBRA: I’m going to write that down, “hair as an excretory organ.” I’ve done a lot of research on how the body detoxes, and so you think of the skin as an organ that detoxes, and the intestines, and all these things. But I’ve never thought of the hair as an excretory organ before.

DOUGLAS LEVINE: Yup.

DEBRA: And so I was just imagining, you have these heavy metals in your body and so then it goes out in your hair, but we don’t—what we think about hair is we think about hair as being beautiful, “Are you having a good hair day?”

DOUGLAS LEVINE: Right.

DEBRA: I was just thinking about all the things that people do to try to control their toxic hair and how much more beautiful hair would be if it wasn’t full of heavy metals.

DOUGLAS LEVINE: That’s correct. That’s correct.

DEBRA: Wow! I’ve had people on the show, and I’ve talked to people that talk about detoxing your hair, but they talked about detoxing your hair from the modern toxic hair products and getting those out of your hair, but I’ve never heard one single person…

DOUGLAS LEVINE: It’s got to be done from the inside out.

DEBRA: Yeah.

DOUGLAS LEVINE: So the reason why there are these toxic metals in your hair is because it’s in your blood stream. And if it’s in your blood stream, it’s in the tissue of the body; it’s not just in your hair.

So, people never equate that if they have a high level of cadmium in their body and they get it from whatever exposure—from the air, from touching things, from food, wherever it comes from—it will increase a woman’s risk of getting breast cancer.

I’m trying to connect the dots for people that, sometimes, it’s not the blood test that they see. And these things are high or low, that something has to be causing these things to be high or low. So people will go to their regular medical physician. And if this number is low, then we’re going to give you something to make it high.

But it’s important to understand the whys of why people have these things going on in their body and a lot of this has to do with toxicity and they’re not even realizing that they’ve had toxic element exposure. They’ll just go on and treat the symptoms, but not really deal with the cause.

DEBRA: What you just said is probably just, in a nutshell, exactly what most of medicine is about—it’s to treat symptoms.

Actually, this week, I had a realization about that just on my own—like I’m much healthier than I’ve ever been in my life right now, but that doesn’t mean I’m perfectly healthy because I had many years of toxic exposure and damage to my body and things.

And particularly about diet, I just want to say—and I’m about to write this, but I’m going to say it today—people, they wonder what they should eat and they want to go on specific diets and they read about a diet and say, “Oh, I should go on that diet,” and especially if it’s a diet that’s supposed to help something, like you could go on the Thyroid Diet for example and that’s just to help the thyroid, but the thing is that a lot of times, people will go on a diet because they have a specific set of symptoms and they’re trying to alleviate their symptoms. I say, “If I don’t gluten or I don’t eat tomatoes, or whatever, I won’t have these symptoms,” but that’s only just alleviating the symptoms, whether it’s from a food or drug, or whatever. It’s only alleviating symptoms. It’s not addressing the underlying problem.

I finally reached this point in my life where I’m really getting down to healing the things that have been damaged by toxic chemicals.

We’ll talk more about that when we come back. You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd. And my guest today is Dr. Douglas Levine. He’s the Executive Director of LifeAfterCancerNetwork.org. We’ll be right back.

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DEBRA: You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I am Debra Lynn Dadd. And if you were just listening to that commercial about water filters, today, actually is the last day of a special offer where they’re $20 off. You can go to ToxicFreeTalkRadio.com, look for the faucet, click through, and find out more about that. That’s the water filter that I use in my home.

I’m sure that Dr. Levine can tell you that there are many carcinogenic pollutants in water.

DOUGLAS LEVINE: Absolutely! Everybody should have a filtration system just like the one you’re describing because safety first and prevention first. There’s nothing wrong with taking that extra step to protect yourself from what’s going on in the environment today.

DEBRA: Right, right. So tell us more about—oh, I wanted to finish what I’m saying about getting down to this level of really—I call it my “body restoration” project because it’s not about just trying to feel good, it’s about identifying what parts of my body have been damaged by toxic chemical exposure or poor nutrition or whatever that it is. It’s actually to recognize that damage has been done and what do I need to do in order to restore. And that’s a totally different questions.

DOUGLAS LEVINE: That’s a totally different question, yeah.

DEBRA: Like the other day, we filmed several shows about—there’s a new book out called Missing Microbes. I had the author of that book on. We were talking about how antimicrobials and antibiotics are destroying the flora and fauna in our guts. He was saying we’ve lost like 30%. And there are information now about things that you can do to restore those natural microbes that we need to have for our bodies to function.

When I started learning that I thought, “Well now, when I’m eating, am I feeding my microorganisms?”

DOUGLAS LEVINE: It depends on what you’re eating.

DEBRA: Yeah. Every time you take a glass of water with chlorine in it, or chloramines, you’re killing your microorganisms. It’s that simple. That’s what those things are in there for—in the water. Those toxic chemicals are there to kill them.

DOUGLAS LEVINE: They kill them. That’s right, that’s right.

DEBRA: You drink that and it’s going to kill what’s in your gut. And then, we wonder why we have to take Tums and things like that.

DOUGLAS LEVINE: Right! And you’re treating the symptom, not the cause.

DEBRA: Yeah. Yeah. So I’m really looking at restoration as being the—but if you’re looking at restoration, I’ve figured out there’s actually three steps. This is just a new thing for me this week.

The first thing you need to do is to you need to stop bombarding your body with toxic chemicals. Then, the second step is, once you’ve reduced that exposure, then you need to remove the toxic chemicals that your body has already accumulated.

And then you need to start the restoration project because if you don’t do those first two steps, it’s like trying to fill a bathtub full of water with the drain open. You’re just not getting anywhere.

DOUGLAS LEVINE: Well, it’s the same way with cancer treatment. And if you have any survivors listening out there or any friends or family members, or anybody, this is the problem today with cancer.

Somebody goes through traditional treatment, they have radiation, chemotherapy, they’ve had surgery, they’ve been battered, they’re exhausted from their treatment. Their treatments finally end and now what do these people do?

DEBRA: Yeah. So what do they do? How do you help them?

DOUGLAS LEVINE: They contact our network because that’s why the network was created, to help renew and rebuild their bodies because nobody in traditional medical care is doing that right now.

Oncologists don’t do that. I appreciate what they do, but but they’re not helping people restore. It’s the practitioners in our network that help people. I help people, we have massage therapists that help people, we have acupuncturists that help people. And that’s why we’re here. We have nutritionists that help people. They need a place to go, so I created that place.

And it’s the same thing with what you’re saying, “Hey, I’ve been exposed to this. I understand that the damage has been done, what can I do to help myself?” That’s what you’re trying to do. I appreciate that. More people have to know more about what you do and about your book and support health rather than disease.

DEBRA: So, this is why I wanted to have you on the show because I know that you started making this network for cancer survivors, but I think that, in a sense, there are a lot of us who are survivors of toxic chemical exposure regardless of what the damage has been done.

I learned a long time ago that the thing that I needed to do to heal my body was the same thing that I needed to do to keep my body healthy in the first place. It’s the same set of things. It’s don’t be exposed to toxic chemicals, it’s get good nutrition, it’s get enough rest, the whole list of things.

It’s a well-known list of things. And if people would just start doing that list, then they wouldn’t get cancer, they wouldn’t get heart disease, they wouldn’t get whatever illness they’re concerned about. Whatever illness is in their family, they wouldn’t get it because the environmental factors have been removed. You just do the things that create health, and you’ll create health.

So I think that your network is applicable to everyone, whether they’re a cancer survivor or not.

DOUGLAS LEVINE: And that’s why we have the app, which is called Cancer Network. It’s a free app for any survivor, caregivers, friends, family members, where they can have direct contact right with all our network providers and it’s free for them.

DEBRA: So, tell us more about your app and your network. Tell us, what will people find when they go there?

DOUGLAS LEVINE: Well, if you are a survivor, a friend or family member, you can register right on our website and you can print out a survivorship plan.

Basically, it’s a series of questions that you answer basically yes or no. You’re going to get a print out of where you are and where you need to go to begin your journey back to finding your new normal again.

We are the only organization that offers this survivorship plan. There’s no organization in the country that does what we do.

So, we are really the first to offer some type of basics to restore people’s health and get them back to basics.

If people want more in-depth information, they can contact any of our network providers. They are here to help and they will guide people in every area of help, whether it’s nutrition, chiropractic, osteopathy, acupuncture.

The problem I have with natural healthcare providers and people that help cancer survivors is that it’s very fragmented in the United States. There’s somebody who does it in Missouri, there’s somebody who does it in New York or Florida. People are scanning through Yellow Pages or they’re going online, they’re trying to find somebody.

The network was designed to bring all these puzzled pieces together in one place, so that people can go to one entity, find somebody they feel comfortable with and move forward from there.

DEBRA: So, basically. these are the folks that even if somebody didn’t have cancer and wanted to prevent cancer and improve whatever their health issue is right now, these are the kinds of people who, when you go to them, and you say “detox” or “toxic chemicals” or “carcinogen”, they’ll know what you’re talking about?

DOUGLAS LEVINE: Absolutely. And there’s somebody here to help you.

DEBRA: Yeah. Yeah. Because I know that it’s sometimes difficult to find those people. You go to a lot of doctors or even alternative practitioners, and they don’t understand these specific issues.

DOUGLAS LEVINE: Agreed.

DEBRA: So, I think it’s great, what you’ve done, because it’s so difficult to find these people and…

DOUGLAS LEVINE: I didn’t have it 30 years ago.

DEBRA: Yeah.

DOUGLAS LEVINE: I was looking for somebody. I went to somebody down the block. And I didn’t have it. I said, “You know, something…” one of my goals when I was writing the book was to create an organization like this for people because I didn’t want people to go through exactly what I went through—not finding somebody, not dealing with anybody credible, and not having research-based information that will help move them in the right direction.

DEBRA: Yes. That’s why I do what I do because when I became very sick from toxic chemicals more than 30 years ago, there were no resources at all. There were no books like mine. There were no websites to go to. There were no organizations like yours.

It was like a fluke that I even got the idea that toxic chemicals were making me sick. I just had to drag myself out of bed and go to medical libraries and start researching, “What’s these chemicals? And what kind of symptoms? Oh, I’m having that symptom,” and then I stopped using that product. I stopped using chlorine in the water and perfume and these things. My symptoms went away, but there were no resources at the time, none whatsoever.

DOUGLAS LEVINE: Right.

DEBRA: But we have so many resources now. We have so many resources today. We have so many nontoxic products. We have so many practitioners who understand those that it’s really—this is a time that everybody should be learning to take care of their bodies in a toxic-free way and support our health, and we don’t. I think what we could greatly, greatly, greatly reduce the amount of cancer in the world and still have our grandmothers, and our mothers, and our loved ones who found us, instead of having them not be here because of cancer.

DOUGLAS LEVINE: It is a disease of lifestyle and the environment…

DEBRA: Yes, definitely.

DOUGLAS LEVINE: People need to recognize that, that it’s a preventable disease and it’s just understanding what needs to be done and actually doing it.

DEBRA: Well, thank you so much. Excuse me. Thank you so much for being here. I’m going to take a look at your network.

Again, you can go to LifeAfterCancerNetwork.org. And can they get your app on the website? They would do this.

DOUGLAS LEVINE: Yes, if they go to the app site, they’ll see two icons, one for Android and one for the iPhone. And if you just press it, it brings you right to the store to get it.

Again, it’s free for all the survivor, caregivers, friends, family members. That’s why it’s there.

DEBRA: The Survivorship Plan, you just go to LifeAfterCancerNetwork.org and you’ll see that too.

DOUGLAS LEVINE: Correct. Yup.

DEBRA: Yeah.

DOUGLAS LEVINE: Thanks.

DEBRA: I’m going to take a look at that because I think that that’s a great idea about how are you going to survive the rest of your life?

DOUGLAS LEVINE: Right. That’s why we’re here. That’s the question I had 30 years ago and there was nobody to help me.

DEBRA: Like, “What’s the plan? How am I going to be healthy for the rest of my life?”

DOUGLAS LEVINE: That’s right.

DEBRA: Yup. Yup.

DOUGLAS LEVINE: People [inaudible 0:36:49]

DEBRA: I’m going to go take a look and see what you’ve got there.

DOUGLAS LEVINE: Absolutely.

DEBRA: Okay, thank you.

DOUGLAS LEVINE: Debra, thanks.

DEBRA: You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd. Be well.

non-toxic lining for dresser drawers

Question from Cathy

Hello Debra,

I’ve been looking everywhere on-line for help with this question, and I just remembered your website. I should have asked you first!

I have a new dresser, and I’d like to put some kind of liner in the drawers, to protect the wood from the clothes, and the clothes from the wood. 

Contact paper, fabric, wrapping paper with wallpaper paste (Mod Podge), cork, acid-free paper, parchment paper — I’ve looked into all of these and I’m not feeling good about any of them.

I’m thinking that the local frame shop’s acid-free mat paper might be my best bet, but I don’t know about what the material is made of, only that it’s acid-free.

Any ideas?

Many thanks,

Cathy

Debra’s Answer

Well, in the past I have just used a paper that I like.

All paper is basically made in the same way, from some kind of cellulose pulp. Most paper is made from wood pulp, very fine writing paper like Crane’s is made from cotton linters that are too small to be woven into yarn to make fabric. Nowadays many papers are made from recycled paper or fibers.

The thing that would make a difference regarding toxicity is if the paper is treated with something for performance (such as paper towels are treated with formaldehyde for strength) or when inks are added. Brightly colored wrapping paper is more toxic, for example, that a plain sheet of art paper intended to receive paint.

At my local art store like Michael’s, they have big sheets of colored papers that you can cut to size. You might see what they are treated with, if anything.

There are also handmade papers, which tend to not be treated, but may be sprayed with a finish. So always ask.

I can tell you in general about toxics that might be in paper, but always ask the manufacturer because there can be a lot of variation.

Readers, any suggestions?

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Diesel Fuel and Leather Seats

Question from audrey

I am writing for a friend who is looking for a new car and who has mcs. She found a car that she likes but it requires diesel fuel. Do you see any reason that this would be worse if one has mcs instead of using regular gas?

She also has seen some cars that have leather seats. She said the leather in cars about ten years ago seemed to be more toxic/smelly than the ones today. Do you know if this is true? Also she said she has read that some leather in cars are now having fragrance added to the leather. Was wondering if you knew anything about that and how can we stop such a foolish thing. Thank you for your help.

Debra’s Answer

Well, actually diesel exhaust contributes 15 times more secondary organic aerosol chemicals than gasoline emissions per liter of fuel burned. So gasoline would be a better choice for MCS.

Now leather seats. It depends on the seats. I have leather seats, but I bought my car used and they had not been treated with any kind of cleaner. I love my leather seats.

I once reupholstered my car seats with cotton canvas. I brought my fabric to a car upholstery place and they did it for me. So that is always an option.

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Window pane repair

Question from Angelique

A pane in our metal multi-pane window broke. During repair, what kinds of materials do I have to look out for, and what would be best to use?

Debra’s Answer

Here are complete instructions:

Replacing a Pane of Glass on an Aluminum Window Frame

It mentions using clear silicone and vinyl strips (on the outside) to hold the pane in place.

Since this is standard for metal windows, I would just use these materials. The silicone should be for this purpose and is called “Glass-Metal Sealant.” It probably will have some fumes but they will outgas. Keep windows open, use fans.

For wood windows, you can install a pane with wood strips on either side. That’s one of the reasons I love wood windows.

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Multiple Chemical Sensitivity and the Brain

Question from JD

Hi Debra,

Let me start off by saying, I think you have done an amazing job in spreading the word and educating people on the dangers of toxicity. You have a wealth of information that can help others to understand and begin to live a toxic-free life. Thank you for that. 🙂

In all your research, have you ever come across Annie Hopper, founder of Dynamic Neural Retraining System and former MCS Sufferer? Annie’s program involves retraining your brain from being stuck in a trauma loop within one’s limbic system.

When Annie was suffering from MCS, she was on a mission to cure herself. The missing link, she found, was the study of the brain. She began to study about brains and references a book called, “The Brain That Changes Itself,” by Dr. Norman Doidge, in her program. She also includes a video clip of this doctor where he explains neuroplasticity.

Neuroplasticity: From Med.net – It is the brain’s ability to reorganize itself by forming new neural connections throughout life. Neuroplasticity allows the neurons (nerve cells) in the brain to compensate for injury and disease and to adjust their activities in response to new situations or to changes in their environment.

Two weeks ago, I began her program. As I began to educate myself on the limbic system and take part in the cognitive therapy portion of her program, the chronic “fight or flight” piece (the feeling of panic when breathing in toxic products or when foretelling and getting stuck in the “what ifs” before entering a public place), my anxieties decreased significantly.

I’ve struggled with MCS since the mid-90’s, and for the first time in almost 20 years, I am hopeful that I can fully recover. Don’t get me wrong, I’m 100% in agreement with organic food, toxic-free products, zeolite, and exercise, and know they have prevented me from getting really bad.

While I learned a lot about neuroplasticity, what fascinates me the most is the brain’s ability to get stuck in a rut and releasing send false messages to my body, such as heart palpitations, fatigue, swollen glands, going hoarse, headaches, digestive problems, puffy eyes, coughing, the list goes on. Moreover, the brain’s ability to retrain itself, thus leading to a healthier life, mentally, emotionally, and physically.

I admit, I thought Annie’s program might be hype, so I researched it thoroughly. What I found is that her vision is to facilitate global healing while also promoting environmental awareness that precipitates big changes in how we live on this planet.

Annie was a keynote speaker at a national Brain Injury Conference in June 2009, and delivered ground breaking research on “Acquired Toxic Brain Injuries and Neuroplasticity.” She was also a guest speaker at the American Academy of Environmental Medicine in 2013, held in Phoenix, Arizona.

There is also a doctor (I believe in her hometown) who refers all patients with MCS symptoms to Annie, because he got, and is getting, great results from patients that have tried or are trying her program.

Anyway, I’m sold on her program, and I thought you might be interested as another possible resource, should you agree with her program.

Thanks for all you do,

Julie Possee

Debra’s Answer

I don’t have any experience with this method so can’t comment on it, but I would like to take this opportunity to say that simply avoiding toxic chemicals is not enough to build health. There are many other factors, including other things that may be wrong with the body or mind, lack of nutrition, etc.

What elimination of toxic chemicals does is remove a continuous source of harm to your body, allowing your body to do other things that can contribute to healing. It’s like trying to empty a bathtub with the water running. If you continue to be exposed to toxic chemicals and try to do something else to heal your body, it’s likely not to work because toxic chemicals are continuing to pull your body down while you’re trying to make it heal.

But once you eliminate incoming toxic exposures and removing toxic chemicals stored in your body, there are any number of other things that can be done, and may need to be done to restore health.

This may be one of them for some people.

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Going Beyond Filtered Water

MJ PangmanMy guest today is MJ Pangman, co-author of Dancing with Water: The New Science of Water—a book that has revolutionized our relationship with water while unveiling its most mysterious properties. Ever since the year 2000, when she observed its powerful effects on her own body, Dancing with WaterMJ has focused her research on a special phase of water known as liquid crystalline water. This phase of water interacts more rapidly and efficiently with biological organisms. It can provide superior hydration, enhanced nutrient absorption, more effective detoxification, increased metabolic efficiency and improved cellular communication. With a Master’s degree in plant science and a love of the natural sciences, MJ will take to take you to a new level of your understanding about water and tell us how to turn water into a vital, life-supporting nutrient. dancingwithwater.com

NOTE: The techniques that MJ will be talking about require that you start with the purest water you can obtain. I recommend the filters from Pure Effect Water Filters.

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TOXIC FREE TALK RADIO
Going Beyond Filtered Water

Host: Debra Lynn Dadd
Guest: MJ Pangman

Date of Broadcast: August 05, 2014

DEBRA: Hi, I’m Debra Lynn Dadd and this is Toxic Free Talk Radio where we talk about how to thrive in a toxic world and live toxic-free.

It’s Tuesday, August 5th 2014. I’m here in Clearwater, Florida and I think we’re going to have a thunderstorm today. We have lots of thunderstorms here. It’s very interesting tropical weather. They’re wonderful! I love thunderstorms.
Anyway, we’re going to have a very interesting and very different show today. I talk about very different aspects of living toxic-free on this show and invite people on with many different kinds of viewpoints. I just want to give you a little orientation towards what we’re going to talk about today and that is the whole field of living toxic-free.

To me, it’s like a spectrum. At one end is everything that’s toxic that is just clearly harmful to life and even those things that are toxic have different degrees of toxicity like something that is very, very, very toxic, the worst toxic thing would be instant death on exposure.

And then you would have other things that make you sick when you’re exposed to them, make you see in various degrees right away. And then there are things that have to build up in your body and you have to be exposed to them day in and day out. And then when they build up, then you get sick from them.

And then you kind of get to the zero point where something is not harmful, but it’s not beneficial either, it’s just not harmful. And then when you cross that line, when you cross that line, you start getting into things that enhance your life, that actually make your health be better.

Technically speaking, something could be toxic-free if it gets to zero, that zero point because it’s no longer harming you. And pretty much, when we’re talking in the realm of consumer products, what we’re trying to aim for is just get to that point where you can have a consumer product that’s not going to harm you.

But what we’re talking about today, we’re going to take a giant leap over that line and go into an area of talking about something that can greatly enhance your life and your body condition, your health and your happiness, everything because it’s taking you closer to one’s natural state as if you were out in nature, as if you were a tree.

Humans out in nature, if we all lived out in the natural world and not in the industrial world, then we would have other elements affecting our bodies, other natural elements as opposed to the toxic things in our industrial world. What we’re going to talking about today is how to be restoring that natural life force and the medium that we’re going to be talking about restoring it through is water.

Now, before I have my guest start to speak, I also just want to add one thing here and that is that I talk a lot about water filters. And in fact, I have a water filter. If you have been listening to me for any length of time, you know there’s a lot of filter that I recommend that I knew because I think that not only does it remove the toxic chemicals the best, but it also kind of starts inching in the direction of making the water more like it is in nature.

The things that we’re going to be talking about today, in order to apply any of them, you need to start with water that’s not polluted. That’s the first step. And so everything that you’re doing to remove toxic chemicals from your water is all the right thing to do. And then there’s more and it’s fascinating how much more there is that we can do to get these life-enhancing properties into our water and into our bodies.

So I’d like to introduce to you my guest. She’s my MJ Pangman. She’s the author of Dancing with Water: The New Science of Water. It’s an amazing book. I’ve studied this subject. I’ve been studying this subject for a long time about water and about the natural state of water.

When I first – I have so much to say about this, but I want my guest to talk. Anyway, so when I read her material, it’s so simply described and so just everything that you need to do arranged in a way that’s extremely useful. I highly recommend that you read her book.

Now, you can go to her website, DancingwithWater.com and you can get a free, little course. Just sign up. It’s right on the home page. You can get a course and every day, you will get emailed another lesson for about seven days I think it is where she goes over all the basics, all the things that we’re going to be talking about today. You can just go to her website and sign up. [Inaudible 00:06:29] because you’re going to want to read this over and over again to understand this.
Hi, MJ.

MJ PANGMAN: Good morning. How are you, Debra?

DEBRA: I’m good. How are you?

MJ PANGMAN: Excellent!

DEBRA: It’s kind of a long introduction, but I wanted to get all those things in. Tell us how you got interested in this subject?

MJ PANGMAN: Oh, you know, how does anyone fall into what they are meant to do here? Life is such a beautiful journey. It was probably about 15 or 17 years ago that as a writer in complementary medicine, I just run across this whole concept of water’s molecular structure and the fact that water could be a living, liquid crystal.

That was so fascinating to me that I just began to research and write. I got an opportunity to work with a Korean professor who had spent 40 years of his life researching this subject. I got the chance to help him translate some of his material into English because virtually unknown at that point in time in this country that there were things that we could do to water to restore its living quality and to restore its energetic qualities that then when you consume this kind of water, could make a powerful difference in the efficiency of your body at the cellular level.

Anyway, it was just so fascinating that I began to devote more and more of my time to it. And here we are today, the co-author of the book and I working on a second edition of Dancing with Water because it has just been so very wildly received within a niche, people who are ready for this kind of information.

Anyway, that’s sort of the background. It just drew me in and now, I’m swimming in it.

DEBRA: I love that. I do want to say, you have this really good – I’m looking at your course. I have studied your whole free course here now and it has a lot of information in it that I am in agreement with and were familiar to me from reading other things. But the way you’ve expressed it is so very, very clear.

I particularly wanted to bring up this whole idea of living water. It’s right in the beginning, you started talking about living water as opposed to dead water. So let’s just talk about the difference between those to start off.

MJ PANGMAN: Well, it’s an interesting thing right from the start because the term ‘living water’ is ancient and pervades many cultures. And so you have to ask yourself, “Why does this term ‘living water’ continue to show up?” Well, obviously, there is a difference between something that is living and life-supportive and something that may not be so life-supportive. I hate to think that water is ever really dead because it can always be restored.

So once again, it’s never really dead, but it certainly has like many people on the planet, lower life force level when it’s not treated appropriately. So water can be sick, let’s say that based on how we treated water. And water can have its life force taken from it.

DEBRA: I think that it’s a wonderful thing. I think it’s actually a sign of life, that something can be restored. For example, I think about the difference between say a tree that is made of wood and then you cut a limb off a tree and you turn it into a piece of lumber. You can’t restore the piece of lumber into being a living thing, but you can repair a tree. To me, that’s the difference between something that’s living and something that’s not living. And so obviously water is a living substance, but it can be damaged like our bodies can be damaged in terms of its vitality and it can also be restored.

We need to go to break, but we’ll come right back. You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd and my guest today is MJ Pangman. She’s the author of Dancing with Water and her website is DancingwithWater.com. We’ll be right back.

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You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd. My guest today is MJ Pangman. We’re talking about how to make sick water into living water. It’s so fascinating to me. I just love the way nature works and I love talking about this.
So if we want to create full spectrum living water, what’s the first thing that we should be looking at?

MJ PANGMAN: We need to look at the forces in nature just like you said. In nature, water is always moving. So that’s number one. In nature, water moves and when she moves, she never moves in a straight line. One of the worse things that we do for water is completely out of ignorance on our part. We think that the shortest distance between two points is a straight line, but water never moves in a straight line.

So when we force – and there’s a keyword too – force water under pressure through straight pipes, we actually strip the energy and the energetic quality from water. When water freely moves in the earth, she’s always meandering and she always takes longer to get there, but she’s full of live when she does. So movement is the key, turbulence is one of the key thing to look for when we want to revitalize water, movement.

DEBRA: I think about when I – like I live right here near the Gulf of Mexico. I don’t go in the gulf as much as I would like to and especially I didn’t want to go in after the big gulf oil spilt. But prior to that, my ex-husband used to go – especially in the evening, we go walk on the beach and we go swimming in the gulf. The difference between tap water like sitting in a bath tub versus swimming in a gulf –

Once I went on a trip to the Caribbean and I went up into the jungle and there was a pool of water. It was a pool like a cascading pool, a series of cascading pools. And so there was all these movement, these little waterfalls coming down into this pool over and over again where I was sitting. The vitality of that, you can feel that. You can feel that in the water. The water that comes out of our tap doesn’t feel anything like that.

MJ PANGMAN: No, it wouldn’t.

DEBRA: Yeah, it’s pretty amazing. It’s pretty amazing.

MJ PANGMAN: So one of the things that happen with movement is that whenever water moves, she’s always spiraling. She’ll come in contact with a rock or some kind of an obstruction. And always the action off of the rock is to spiral backward. You see all these eddies in rivers and what-not?

DEBRA: Yeah!

MJ PANGMAN: If you watch a river very long, you can just notice the spirals everywhere – the little ones, the large vortices. In fact, our hydrologists now recognize that as a river moves down its course, there are huge spirals that go down the center of it that interact with smaller spirals off of the side. I mean, it’s just a beautiful interaction. This is water in movement. The spiral action is one of the things that we find is capable of reviving water.

Whenever you stir water in a pitcher, you’re doing that same kind of thing. I mean, it’s a very beautiful meditative way to connect with the water as well. So there are some simple things that we show people in the book that absolutely makes perfect sense, just stirring the water and then when you begin to add some other dynamic to the water, it doesn’t have to be hard to bring back water’s life force.

DEBRA: Before that step one, I just want to, again, emphasize that what you need to do be doing is starting with water that doesn’t have toxic pollutants in it.

MJ PANGMAN: Correct.

DEBRA: You can’t revitalize, you can’t just take tap water and put it in a pitcher and stir it and start to revitalize it because the toxic chemicals, not only the straight line of it coming to the pipe, but also the toxic chemicals are working against this life force as well. So first, remove toxic chemicals and then start doing these things. Okay, so what comes next after movement?

MJ PANGMAN: In nature, the earth is a beautiful combination of electromagnetic field that are produced by the rocks, by pressures, by the fact that we have an electron-rich environment. The earth itself is covered with electrons that are delivered by lightning strikes everywhere around the planet all the time. So the earth itself has a negative charge and the ionosphere has a positive charge. So there are electromagnetic forces in the earth that are present all the time that water interacts with and water needs in order to organize.

It has been shown through many different methods that when water is placed within a very gentle electromagnetic field, it forces the molecules to align and to organize. So what we’re talking about creating for water is – we mentioned the term ‘liquid crystal’. The difference between quartz and the quartz crystal, not only is there a visible difference in the clarity of the material, but the reason for that clarity is that it’s the way those molecules are organized. Quartz is in what they call an amorphous conglomeration of silicon dioxide, but quartz crystal is an organized grouping of those molecules and it is quartz of entirely different property.

I like to remind people that in the forties, the world changed as we began to understand how to use the properties of crystals in our technology. Crystals are used in solid-state technology today. They began to be used in the 1940s when we incorporated crystal in crystal radios and allowed us to perfect the bending of signal further and wider with greater clarity because of this organization in the crystal matrix.

Water has the same molecular capacity to organize in the same way as a quartz crystal. It has the same molecular organization if it’s allowed and provided this gentle, electromagnetic forces that are present in the earth. And when that happens, water is assembled in a matrix that allows the transmission of signals to be clearer and cleaner.

And that’s water’s purpose. Water’s purpose in your body is to be this medium that carries signals and carry information. Not only does it carry nutrients, but information. So that’s what we’re after here, to provide water with the gentle electromagnetic frequencies that are natural. Now, you’ve got movement and electromagnetic field and you’re on your way.

It sounds like we’re ready for another break.

DEBRA: Excellent! We’re ready for another break. My guest today is MJ Pangman. She’s the author of Dancing with Water. Her website is DancingwithWater.com. You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd and we will be right back.

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DEBRA: You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd. My guest today is MJ Pangman. She’s the author of Dancing with Water. We’re talking about how to revitalized your already filtered water that doesn’t have toxic chemicals in it into being living, vibrant water that can help your body be more alive and healthy and be water the way it is in nature.

So MJ, what’s the next thing to do to revitalize your water?

MJ PANGMAN: Okay! Remember that water that doesn’t have any minerals in it does not conduct electricity. Most people don’t know that. They think water conducts electricity, but it’s the minerals in water that are the connective forces. So water that’s empty, water that’s had the minerals removed does not conduct electricity. Water was intended to carry minerals. Not that water is our primary source of minerals, food ought to be, but water doesn’t have minerals in it is not complete.

So the next step is to balance the minerals in water. Now you mentioned earlier that we’re starting here with clean water and there are lots of ways that we have devised in the last number of years to start with a clean slate and some of those ways are to distill the water or to put it through a reverse osmosis filter that leaves the water empty (which is not ideal at all) and there are other methods that filter the water to leave the minerals in the water, but no matter what you do, most water on the planet is still not minerally balanced.

And so the question is where in the world can we find a nice mineral balance? And the answer is in the ocean. That’s where we have all the minerals available to us in their perfect balance.

So a person, if they felt comfortable about working with that medium in our day, the ocean is a wonderful source of the balance of minerals. However, nature has provided us with those same minerals in the form of salt. There are some wonderful salt that can be harvested in many places around the world that are unprocessed, feel natural and they provide us the balance of minerals.

So the next step is to balance the minerals in the water or as the case may be, to completely re-mineralize the water based on whatever your starting place is. So the idea is to put the minerals back in the water, give the water something to work with, give it some energetic quotients if you will and not only does that then provides us with a balance of minerals that are more biologically available when we go through this process that we’re kind of outlining here, but it’s the way to recharge the water, to re-energize the water.

So we recommend that people take an unprocessed, natural salt and make a saturated salt solution and then that they use a small amount of that depending on the water that they’re starting with. If it’s completely empty, a half of teaspoon in a half a gallon of water. If it’s already got minerals in it, less than that.

But put the minerals back in the water. Give the water some energetic quotient to work with. And then as we move the water, as we expose it to organizing energy field, the water just sort of gathers energy from the universe if you will with all of those pieces put back together. It’s ready to go.

DEBRA: The first time I heard this concept was actually in 1987. I remember the year because that was the year I met my husband. It was actually at the very same time within the same hour I met my husband and I was already introduced to Viktor Schauberger, not in person, but via his book. His book had not yet been published in America.

Somebody had a copy, somebody in the audience. I was giving a speech and somebody in the audience had a copy. He had brought it particularly for me, somebody I didn’t know. He just walked up to me afterwards and he said, “You need to read this book.” He was right because I read it and the thing that impressed me the most was his explanation of the complete hydrologic cycle, which is not what you learn in science class.

The complete hydrologic cycle is that water evaporates. It goes up and becomes a cloud and it comes down in rain. And then it trickles into the earth. And as it does that, it gathers minerals and salts and all these things that we’ve just been talking about. And then it comes up in a spring. And so what you get in spring water is this cold, living, mineralized water, which is not what you get out of the tap.

And the point that he made very strongly in the book was that in order to have the water trickle down through the earth, you have to have vegetation. Without vegetation, the water just runs off. So when we do things like clear cut forest and things, we’re not allowing water to trickle down through the earth and then come back up to us.

How many of us ever get to drink spring water? I’ve drank spring water. It’s wonderful. But it used to be that that’s all people drink, that there were springs that were revered. They were considered to be sacred. They were protected. And the people, there would be like a village, there would be a spring and that’s the water that people drink. And that’s not like anything like what we’re drinking now.

MJ PANGMAN: It’s true. Sad, but it’s true.
DEBRA: Sad, but true, yes.
MJ PANGMAN: Right! Viktor Schauberger was a forester in Austria. He loved nature. He loved the forest. So for him to watch what happened with the whole deforestation, it would make him cry today to see what we’ve done with this planet even since he left in 1967 (I think he passed away). He was a lover of nature. He watched nature. And that’s where he got all of his ideas and his inspiration.

DEBRA: Okay! So then the next thing is sound and light.

MJ PANGMAN: You know, these are organizing forces that we don’t often recognize. One of the chapters in Dancing with Water is completely devoted to the organizational ability of sound. There’s wonderful videos if you start to look up how vibration affect the organization of matter.

There was a fellow in Europe. His name was Hans Jenny. He did some amazing research in the thirties, forties – I may have the dates wrong with that – where he puts sands on a plate and he vibrated the plate. He noticed that as he increased the frequency, the sand would organize into geometric forms.

DEBRA: I’ve seen those pictures.

MJ PANGMAN: They’re awesome.

DEBRA: They are.

MJ PANGMAN: The same thing happens with water when you expose water to – I’m going to group these into a larger category and say ‘organizing forces’, which include light and sound and life force itself, which is difficult to classify. Those forces, add the energetic quotients to water at the molecular level, these geometries create the liquid crystal that we’re talking about here as living water.

DEBRA: And we need to go to break. You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd. My guest is MJ Pangman, author of Dancing with Water. We’ll be right back.

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DEBRA: You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd. My guest today is MJ Pangman. She’s the author of Dancing with Water and her website is DancingwithWater.com.

So the last element to put all these together to re-energize water is darkness. But instead of talking about that, I have two more really important questions and we only have about ten minutes left, so I’m going to ask you something else.
First, would you tell us what kind of benefits people could expect to experience when they drink this kind of water?

MJ PANGMAN: Of course, that depends on the individual. Everyone is in a different place. I’m going to back up and I’m going to just remind people that water is a living entity especially when we take care of it. We talk about water as our dance partner in Dancing with Water and we talk about the ‘dance with water’. So the metaphor is on many levels here with this title, Dancing with Water.

So everyone is in a different place, but water is conscious and will work with the consciousness of an individual. That’s kind of a step out there for some people, but I put that out there for people to ponder. Water has the capacity to work with you as an individual and that’s why people’s responses can be quite individual.

But as a whole, one of the first things that people notice when they begin to drink water that they have worked with, that they have worked with to bring back its life force, to re-energize, to restructure, to return water’s liquid crystalline state is more energy. The afternoon fatigue that a lot of people experience these days, that slump in the afternoon, I’ve had many people tell me that as soon as they started to drink this water, they were good to go, they didn’t fall asleep after lunch and that was a miraculous thing for them. So that’s probably the most often recognized difference.

Another thing that women pay more attention to is softer skin. For you, Debra, that is an indication because the skin is the largest detoxification organ of the body, anything that affects the condition of the skin is an indication that your body is now able to move the toxins through this largest detox organ through the skin. Any improvements in the condition of the skin are about how water is moving and doing what it needs to do as far as hydration and detox. So many women notice softer skin right away.

Athletes will tell you that they have the capacity to work harder and recover faster. The lactic acid build up that athletes often experience as a result of hard workouts at the level of the muscles seems to be able to move and clear faster when you are working with what I refer to now as more efficient water. The water is more efficient. It’s able to do its overall job in a more efficient manner.

So at the cellular level, we’re talking about water moving into the cells to hydrate and at an extracellular level, we’re talking about water drawing toxins out in a more efficient manner.
So some of the other things that people who have some symptoms often notice – I’m going to back up again and give some background here. Diabetes is known as the thirsty disease in Chinese medicine.

DEBRA: That’s right!

MJ PANGMAN: Many people who have diabetic symptoms will tell you that all of a sudden, they’re not as thirsty anymore and that they don’t require the level of medication that they did. Now, we cannot make any claims as far as that goes, but I hear that again and again. That blood sugar begins to balance. That’s an amazing thing, but that’s about water’s role in the body. And once again, diabetes is called the thirsty disease in traditional Chinese medicine.

I mean, these are some of the things. People who do live blood cell analysis and take before and after samples of the blood show dramatically how the red blood cells, they move apart. When a person is sick or dehydrated, the red blood cell stick together because they’re not able to move.

DEBRA: Uh-huh, I’ve seen those.

MJ PANGMAN: That’s called [inaudible 00:43:45], correct. But drinking one glass of this water, I remember the fellow in South Africa sending me these first pictures. He used live blood analysis to help diagnose and work with his patients and he said, “Oh, I could not believe this. Typically, if I would give a patient a glass of water, it would not make a difference in the blood. But this water, within 10 or 15 minutes moves those red blood vessels apart, gives them a charge, if you will and offers me the clarity to see what’s going on in their blood, so that I can tell them what difficulties they have that we can work with.” He was just flabbergasted.

DEBRA: I am sitting here laughing with delight because of course, if you put – I mean, you’re probably familiar with the book called – I’m trying to remember, Your Body’s Many Cries for Water. He just talks about water, just being dehydrated. But here, we’re going to a different level now and saying instead of putting this degraded water in your body, you’re now putting living water in your body. Of course, it’s going to perk up. It’s just going to perk up. Everything is going to start going right.
MJ PANGMAN: You bet it is, yeah. That’s right.

DEBRA: We think of things like aggressive factors like toxic chemicals, something that is being actively done to our bodies as being something that is harmful, but we don’t often think about what’s missing. And not only do we miss nutrition, but we also miss this aliveness. We so often don’t even think at that level. I’m just thrilled to hear that story because it really does show that our body is waiting to have these aliveness factors.

Now, I want you to just talk a little bit about some of the products that you have available on your website because you have a number of different things that people can use to apply all these things that you’re talking about. My favorite thing is the water cradle. I want to get a water cradle.
MJ PANGMAN: Ah, you picked the top of the line in our opinion. That’s an interesting choice you made and that speaks to you, Debra.

DEBRA: This one really speaks to me.

MJ PANGMAN: You’re connecting with nature, yeah. You know, one of the reasons Melanie and I wrote this book –we just were, “Will people listen to this? Will they care?” and we just said, “We’re going to show people that there are a hundred ways to bring these forces that we’ve just spoken about in this program together to bring back life forth. There are a hundred ways to allow water to move. There are a hundred ways, there are a hundred different ways to add salts back in mineral formulations in liquid forms these days. There are a hundred ways to add the life force organizing forces, to bring in chi, prana, sound, light.

There are just a hundred ways to do this, everything from some very simple natural ways like I spoke in the beginning, stirring the water, you can put magnets in your water, even placing quartz crystal in water.”
We talk about that in the book why that worked. People have done for centuries and it’s been pooh-poohed as an old wives’ tale, but there’s a science behind placing rocks and stones in water. They have an effect. We claim that in the book.

So there are so many different ways and we have tried to gather for the website a plethora of different ways from the very simple to a collar that you can place between two bottles and spin the water through a magnetic field, something as simple and inexpensive as that to some very expensive devices that automate the process.

But you’ve chosen something that we’ve developed and as an exclusive for Dancing with Water and we called it The Water Cradle. It’s based on Viktor Schauberger’s work where he showed that this shape (shapes are very important in the universe) that Viktor Schauberger worked with, the shape of the egg, it’s nature’s gestation vessel. It allows nature to continue to move quietly in the dark like what happens in the below ground part of nature’s water hydrological cycle that you mentioned earlier.

So then if you’ve got the appropriate salts in the water, you put water in a place where it can breathe within a ceramic container, you are providing in the base (which we don’t have time to go into) organizing forces (paramagnetic materials, life force attracting material in that base) surrounded with something that causes them to ring (we talk about that in the book), a way to gather life force, to protect the water.

Water is very open to receive information once you create this liquid crystal and now you want to protect it. You don’t want it exposed to the deleterious electromagnetic fields like microwaves and fluorescent lighting and some of those other things that are in our home, the fields that emanate off of computers, it’s the water cradle.

It structures the water, it protects the water and it enobles the water. And that’s Viktor Schauberger’s term as well.

DEBRA: Well, we only have ten seconds left, so I have to say thank you so much for coming today and telling us all of this. I want everybody to go to MJ’s website, DancingwithWater.com and find out more about this. You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd. Be well.

MJ PANGMAN: Thank you, Debra.

Silicone Keyboard Cover

Question from E.

Hi Debra,

I am looking at using a silicone keyboard cover to seal in VOCs on my (4-year-old) Apple keyboard. None of the covers I have found are described as food-grade. One company could not say for certain if their product was food-grade. Does this matter since I am not using this silicone for food? I will be typing on it daily.

Thanks

Debra’s Answer

I’m doing more research on silicone and apparently there are various types with various additives. I’m still sorting that out.

Just know that skin can easily absorb toxic chemicals if they are present.

Why do you think your Apple keyboard is emitting VOCs? I just called Apple and was told the keys are made of hard ABS plastic. My iMac is four years old too, and I’ve never experienced any outgassing that I’ve noticed. Hard plastics rarely outgass.

And why do you think silicone will block VOCs? I don’t think it will. It’s waterproof, but gas is a much smaller molecule. Silicone may be a vapor barrier, but that might be a speciality silicone for that purpose.

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