My guest today is Genita M. Mason, HHP, NC, MH, Founder and Medical Director of The Biosanctuary Health Clinic & Retreat.  We’ll be talking about all the toxic “obesogens” and how these toxic chemicals make people gain weight, plus the plan to lose weight by removing them from your body.  “So refreshing to get into this area,” she told me, “I didn’t realize what I had going on until a woman who had gone through over 30 weight loss programs in the last 12 years came into the clinic for something else and begin melting it off.” Patients come to Genita’s retreat for her advanced detox program based on orthomolecular and naturpathic models. In 2014 she was given the American Naturopathic Medical Association’s ‘High Achievement’ Award. I met her in 2010 after she won a human rights award for the High Impact Biological Medicine “Green Body & Mind Medical Model” she developed which practices the best of Functional Medicine for a long list of today’s epidemic physical and mental diseases and metabolic disorders such as addiction. www.biosanctuary.com

Purchase Genita’s new book The Science of Weight Loss from amazon.com. Read more about the book and Genita’s detox program at http://thescienceoflosingweight.com/

 

 

 

 

TOXIC FREE TALK RADIO
How Toxic Chemicals Can Make You Fat and How Detoxing Can Make You Skinny

Host: Debra Lynn Dadd
Guest: Genita M. Mason, HHP, NC, MH

Date of Broadcast: January 08, 2015

DEBRA: Hi, I’m Debra Lynn Dadd and this is Toxic Free Talk Radio where we talk about how to thrive in a toxic world and live toxic-free. It’s Thursday, January 8th 2014. And it’s cold! It’s cold even here in Florida. It’s 55° today. I know that doesn’t sound very cold to some of you, but that’s very cold for us. And did you hear in the news up in the northern part of the United States, it’s 40° and 50° below 0. Very cold today!

But we’re going to talk about warm things. We’re going to talk about how toxic chemicals can make you fat and how detoxing toxic chemicals, removing them from your body can make you skinny.

My guest today really knows what she’s talking about on this subject. Her name is Genita M. Mason, HHP, NC, MH. She’s the founder and medical director of the Biosanctuary Health Clinic and Retreat. I met her a few years ago when I learned about her work, helping people with mental health issues by removing toxic chemicals from their bodies.

You just go to her retreat, she puts you in a non-toxic environment, she feeds you the right organic foods, she makes special programs for you to take the right supplements and everything and people get better. She found that as a side effect of this, people losing weight. So she started looking at what’s happening with weight.

We’re going to hear all about this today, all about what toxic chemicals make you fat, where they’re found, what to do instead, so keep listening.

Hi, Genita.

GENITA MASON: Hi, Debra! Thank you for having me. I couldn’t be more happier than to be on your show taking this off for the new book.

DEBRA: Thank you. I couldn’t be more happier than having you here and having you kick off your book on my show.

GENITA MASON: Yeah, it is so refreshing to be talking on this subject because I know that this is going to touch so many people and help so many people out of the mystery of why they’re not losing weight when they should be as well.

DEBRA: Yeah. You mentioned that one of your clients had gone through over 30 listed weight loss programs.

GENITA MASON: She listed over 30. You name any of those popular ones and she’s done it.

DEBRA: Yeah. Yeah. I know because I’ve done a lot of them too and I think a lot of my listeners have. So just before we start talking about the book and the program, I want to ask you just a couple of questions so that the listeners understand who you are and what you do.

First of all, could you tell us what all those letters after your name mean, HHP, NC, MH?

GENITA MASON: I’m licensed by the Board of Naturopathic Medicine as a holistic health care provider. It means that I don’t have the emergency room and I don’t have a prescription pad, which I don’t need because when people follow my programs, they’ll never need one of those.

DEBRA: Right!

GENITA MASON: So I’m happy with that. And then the other acronym is ‘nutritional consultant’. But beyond that, I’m a nutrition biochemist. Just remember that all doctors before the 1930s who were biological medical doctors – now, I practice biological medicine. They had biochemistry degrees. To be a doctor, you had to understand how the body works because you were using natural substances before big pharma got a hold of the standards of care.

So really, I lean more on science than I do anything that I learned in school. I’m also having the blessing of being mentored by famous doctors, biological medical doctors who trained early on in the early 1900s, 1930s and 1940s such as Dr. Abram Hoffer, Dr. Alighieri and Dr. Thomas who I work with here in Costa Rica.

DEBRA: So tell us how you became interested in approaching medical problems from your viewpoint? How did you veer off the path of becoming just a standard medical doctor?

GENITA MASON: Well, at least to me, because I’ve trying to have been involved in this for decades, it’s only common sense that the body has – call it a ‘divine design’ or call it ‘[inaudible 00:05:26] biochemistry’ if you want to approach it scientifically. There is a way that the body is designed to function and that design has evolved over three million years with the human cells surviving and developing into what it has over three million years now.

Call it your spirit or anything you want, but our bodies are a product of the earth. We need that relationship with good whole foods and homeostasis, a supportive and enriching environment in order to thrive.

And then when you inject a toxic chemical, what it does is it robs – not only is it toxic, but it robs the body of nutrients that the cell needs, that every cell needs to function in the way that it was designed to function. And when that design is thwarted, when it can’t do that, it’s a cascade event.

And this is chronic. I mean, if it’s once in a while, of course, you’re not going to suffer probably. But when it’s chronic such as it is today because of the environment that we live in and if we don’t know how to protect ourselves, when it’s chronic, things start going bad. And when they go bad, first, we’ll have a series of symptoms and then of course, they’ll develop into disease if we don’t intervene.

So toxins don’t belong in the body. That’s the bottomline. They steal, they rob nutrients from the body and they destroy tissue as a result. They destroy the cells as a result.

And it’s not only that. It’s what they do to our bacteria. We’re actually 10:1 bacterial over cells. Don’t get a little bit too much in the limelight. What’s happening today is with GMO foods and the toxins in our food, the chemicals in our food, it’s wiping out our good stuff.

There’s the American Gut Project. Everybody should look up the American Gut Project, the group of rockstar scientists that are taking samples from people all over the world and putting a lot of data together. These chemicals, our gut flora, we have lots of bacteria, healthy bacteria, microbes that were there a hundred years ago that are no longer there because they’ve been chemically destroyed. So that gives the bad bacteria, the gram negative mostly, more opportunity. You just give it a little bit. You give it an inch and it’ll take a mile.

And I’ll tell you being a practitioner that’s been testing my patients, because though I only use supplements that don’t kill people, I’m more careful than psychiatrists. I test everybody. I test every functional aspect of the human body, what’s going on under the hood, the gut health, the endocrinology before I write up targeted nutritional therapies and strategies for them, treatment strategies.

Fifteen years ago or twenty years ago when I started my private practice, I rarely saw bacterial dysbiosis, rarely. And today, I rarely don’t see it.

DEBRA: Wow!

GENITA MASON: Yeah, that’s a wow! And I can tell you from the GMOs, the chem trails, the radiation now that we have, it’s an epidemic problem. We need to learn if we’re going to survive while the government wise up (give them time to wise up) to strategize how to survive. That is identifying your routes of exposure in your home and workplace and diet and protecting yourself, getting rid of it, making wiser choices.

DEBRA: Well, we’re about to go to break, but before we do, because I know if I ask you another question, you’re going to talk for another few minutes, let’s take this short period of time to say that you have a new book, The Science of Losing Weight, which we’re about to talk about when we come back and I have an advanced copy here, a PDF, I’m looking at it and it’s incredible! It’s not available yet, but if you go to her website, you can get an advanced copy and she will send you a password so that you can read it right now even though it’s not available. I mean, she can’t send you the actual book. You can read it online with a password just as soon as you buy it.

GENITA MASON: And I actually think it started right away on the program because the Solution section is pretty much done and as well get a free copy of A Gut Feeling, the small intestinal bacterial overgrowth recipe book that collaborates with it.

DEBRA: Right! And you only get the free ebook of A Gut Feeling if you order it within an hour of the end of the show. So you can go order it right now if you want during the break or you can wait until the end, but order it right away. Go to Biosanctuary.com. It’s right there on the front page. You have to kind of scroll down a little bit, but you’ll see it. It’s really easy to find.

So you’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd. My guest today is Genita M. Mason. She’s the founder and medical director of the Biosanctuary Health Clinic and Retreat and we’re going to be talking about the The Science of Losing Weight. Stay tuned.

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DEBRA: You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd. My guest today is Genita M. Mason, founder and medical director of the Biosanctuary Health Clinic and Retreat. I’m going to keep giving her website over and over, Biosanctuary.com, so that you can make sure that you can go there and order her new book and get immediate access by special password. Nobody else in the world has this yet except you, listeners. She’s giving us this, very special.

So Genita, I’m just going to let you start talking because I know you have so much to say.

GENITA MASON: I have a battery of words.

DEBRA: Go ahead!

GENITA MASON: And by the way, I would love to share some of the warmth and the heat here in Costa Rica, the clinic with you there in Florida.

DEBRA: Oh, thank you. What’s the temperature there?

GENITA MASON: Pardon me?

DEBRA: What’s the temperature there?

GENITA MASON: It’s humid. It’s 85°, 90° or so. It’s warm. It’s warm, but it’s great. It’s great for losing weight.

DEBRA: That’s right! You don’t have to go in the sun. All you have to do is sit outside.

GENITA MASON: Right, right. Well, yeah, or both.

DEBRA: Or both.

GENITA MASON: So the first thing that I want to – and I want to lay the foundation, the perspective.

DEBRA: Okay.

GENITA MASON: Everyone is trained in all diets (most or all diets generally speaking), the approach is everyone is concerned about calories, reducing calories and burning them. That’s the traditional view of how to lose weight and we need to stay exact because the core value now is that if you have –

You know, everybody fluctuates by over 10 lbs. We have holidays, we get sedentary sometimes and we’re usually, “Argh! I’m just a mess.” But if you have 20, 30, 40 and anything above to lose, you have likely – and I say that, because I’m a scientific, I can’t do 100%, but there’s a strong indication, very strong (I’d say 90% strong indication) that you have an actual underlying medical condition or metabolic disorder.

That disease or metabolic disorder needs to be exposed through testing and then in evidence-based way, strategize a solution and a targeted nutritional therapy to correct it.

How many people do we know that diet, that reduce their caloric intake by 500, 1000 and a long-term, they are dedicated, they’re doing the work, they’re exercising and they’re not losing?

DEBRA: A lot of people.

GENITA MASON: Yes. Yes! My daughter included when she got hit by the mold infection. And it broke my heart. She’s a young woman, 23 years old, had the world at her fingertips, never had to think about what she was eating and here, she was locked in a prison – I called it ‘prison’ and depravation. You can’t have things that you want without paying dearly for it.

DEBRA: I know that story.

GENITA MASON: I think everybody that has the weight to lose knows it today. And that’s because it’s not about – these diet books, if you look, we have more diet books, we have more gyms, we have more personal trainers, we have more theories, we have more different – it’s like rearranging furniture on the Titanic. None of it is working! If it works, it works a little while and then you’re just seeing it right back, right?

DEBRA: Right.

GENITA MASON: So we need to look at why, ask the question why because we didn’t have this problem a hundred years ago, we didn’t have this problem 50 years ago. It’s an epidemic now. And the reason is – me being a toxicologist, being an orthomolecular and epigenetic practitioner, I’m a toxicologist, I have to look at people’s environments and how it’s affecting them to heal them, any condition – schizophrenia, addiction, cancer, you name it. You have to look at the organism’s environment. I’ve been doing that for 20 years to develop strategies to help people heal.

So when I started looking at the weight issues of today, how people are gaining weight, can’t lose it or lose it and gain it right back – and I did this with my whole heart because my daughter was affected. We have to remember that. That’s what woke me up to all of these, to help my daughter. So I used everything I know about the environment and how it affects humans. I was asking the question in my research, “What has caused this?”

My daughter never had an extra pound. She was an athlete, a second degree black belt. She trained almost every day for 12 years. She was a cheerleader. She had solid muscles. And bam! On 5”3 ½ frame, she gained 50 lbs.

DEBRA: Wow! That’s a lot for that size.

GENITA MASON: Yeah, mold infections, mold infections. So through that, the truth started surfacing. And then I started treating people specifically to losing weight. I would never treat when people would come to me for losing weight, they’d say, “You know it’s not about losing weight. It’s all about soul, body, mind wellness.” Well, you tell that to a person that’s been trying to lose weight for 10, 20, 5 years, they’re like, “No, it’s about losing weight.”

So anyway, I’ll tell you a list for your listeners so that they can start ingesting this and changing their perspective about what they have to address to get well and lose the weight if they want to lose. The toxic environment, both voluntary and involuntary, in the food with GMO’s, the chemicals, in tap water – even in showering in tap water, [inaudible 00:19:11] exposure.

GMOs are really bad because of what they do to the bacteria flora of the gut. All these toxic chemicals being ingested, being delivered breathing them – even your saliva, when you breathe, if you’re in a toxic environment like Los Angeles, New York, swallowing your saliva is actually toxic. And we can’t avoid that, but we can do things to protect ourselves and get rid of those toxins efficiently before they accumulate into our tissues.

But all these toxins, collectively, they’re called ‘body burden’. It seems there’s actually a name now for the bio accumulation of the toxic chemicals in your environment and diet.

So this bio accumulation, which by the way, the gut is the first one to solve and the first one taken out, which is very unfortunate because gut health just feeds into the health of the entire body. It says in Chinese medicine, “All health starts in the gut.”

So here’s a list of the things that these toxic chemicals are causing, the conditions and diseases that they’re causing that are preventing people from being able to lose weight and causing them to gain weight when they shouldn’t be.

And what I mean by that, I know many people at eat healthy, that are exercising, that have active lifestyle and they’re paying [inaudible 00:20:34] trying not to gain weight and they are anyway.

DEBRA: Yes.

GENITA MASON: So here’s a list. Intestinal inflammation. These toxins cause these things – intestinal inflammation, leaky gut syndrome, digestive malabsorption, insulin resistance, sluggish liver and pancreatic function. When you can’t release enough enzymes to break down the fats, proteins and carbs that you eat, what’s going to happen? You’re going to deposit, right? And also, they’re going to sit around in the gut and cause bacterial dysbiosis, which gives you another cascade of problems.

DEBRA: And I have to interrupt you. Wait, wait, wait. Before you go on with the list, we have to go to break and then you can continue.

GENITA MASON: Okay, thank you.

DEBRA: You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd. My guest today is Genita M. Mason. She’s the founder and medical director of the Biosanctuary Health Clinic and Retreat and author of her new book, Science of Losing Weight. During this break, you can go to her website, Biosanctuary.com, order the book. And if you order it within the next hour, you’ll get a free ebook of recipes that go along with her way of losing weight. You can also get immediate access through a special website with a special password because the book isn’t in print yet. But you can, as a listener, get it today. We’ll be right back.

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DEBRA: You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd. My guest today is Genita M. Mason. She’s the founder and medical director of the Biosanctuary Health Clinic and Retreat and author of her new book, Science of Losing Weight, which is available to you, my listeners, today by a special password if you go to her website, Biosanctuary.com and order it. You don’t have to wait until it’s out in a couple of months or whatever it is. You can get that information today and start using it to lose weight.

So tell us more, Genita. You were telling us about the list of body conditions that are produced by toxic chemicals that affect your ability to…

GENITA MASON: Exactly, disorders actually.

DEBRA: Yeah, disorders, yes. So go on with that list.

GENITA MASON: So we ended with adrenal fatigue when you are actually low cortisol. Cortisol helps to convert food fuel to energy as well. So that could be a product of weight gain. Blood sugar disregulation, which of course, is another metabolic disorder.

So there’s a cascade of events that happen especially when you hit on the neuroendocrine system because the neuroendoctrine system, your glands that produce the hormones in your body, which are also affected by your ability to digest that is impaired with this toxic chemicals and what they do to your gut, they cannot help the body convert food to fuel.

So the next one here on the list is bacterial dysbiosis, which is huge. It’s the big one today. And you can look this stuff up. There’s plenty of information on the Internet now these days. You can look this stuff up. These little polysaccharides have been in a clinical trial, injected into rats and literally, in weeks, it made them obese. And that is actually the most popular gram negative bacteria that people express when they develop bacterial dysbiosis. So it’s a great theory. You’ve got an evidence-based direct link.

And then we create toxic gut syndrome. This is something I’m very familiar with because I’ve worked with mental health patients for many years and I was clearing the gut. That’s the foundational ethic in my program – first gut health and neuroendocrine health. And through clearing the gut, I have actually cleared schizophrenia through clearing the gut toxicity syndrome.

That’s how these toxic chemicals, the bad bacteria (usually gram negative) output goes through the intestines, through to the bloodstream straight to the brain and completely disrupt brain chemistry. So that’s another one. And they also will cause you to gain weight or make it very hard because collectively, these toxins, not only do they hurt the gut, but they also impair or completely disable the mitochondria, which is the energy processing center of every cell. It’s like the nuclear power plant. It impairs the bio accumulation of toxins. It impairs or many times, it disables that mitochondria from being able to burn fats, carbohydrates and proteins. And that’s actually evidenced in the lab test that I’ve done.

Let’s see here, yeast and molds and fungal infections. Of course, my family was hit by the mold infection once. Let’s see. So all of these combined will cause multiple chemical sensitivity, which will also cause people to gain weight. The list is endless, but those are the highlights that I’ve been working with.

DEBRA: I used to work in a doctor’s office with people who had multiple chemical sensitivities. Well, that happened after I knew about my own chemical sensitivities. But in my own body, I gained a lot of weight after I started being chemically sensitive. I didn’t used to weight as much as I ended up weighting. I weight a lot less now, but at one point, I weight 299 lbs.

GENITA MASON: Hmmm… you’re thinking, “Before I’m going to go to 300,” right? Everybody’s got their limit.

DEBRA: No, it actually said on the scale 299 lbs. But I could see people, a lot of the patients that came into this office that I was working in (this is many, many, many years ago), a lot of them would either come in overweight or I would just watch their bodies just balloon up. And it wasn’t because they were eating a lot of junk food. We had these people on elimination allergy diets and stuff and they would just get fatter and fatter and fatter. And so I know it’s the chemicals. I know it’s the chemicals.

GENITA MASON: And you know, we don’t not only now have the chemicals, but that sets the stage for insulin resistance because insulin resistance alone, it causes false hunger because by the nature of this metabolic disorder, if the insulin cannot get the fuel into the cell to set off the brain’s hunger alarms, you’ll just continue to eat far more than you need to be satiated. So you have to shut off the brain’s alarm system that made you hungry in the first place, right?

But also, if the fuel cannot get into the cell, guess what? It’s going to get deposited.

DEBRA: Yeah.

GENITA MASON: And also, the visceral fat issue, the [inaudible 00:32:23] belly – I love how these things are so common now, they have their own name. The liver will convert all carbo – well, not all, but carbohydrates that are not used, it will convert those to fat. And that’s usually where you get the start of your visceral fat, that fat around the gut.

That’s just one of them. But if you have insulin resistance, that means you’ve been eating a lot of processed food, which also means that you have a chemical toxicity issues as well – inflammation, leaky gut, et cetera, et cetera. There’s a list of possibility, which is why really you want to test. You never want to go into any kind of health program without finding out what is going on underneath, so you can really get the best reward, the best kickback from your effort.

My heart goes out to people. Honestly, my heart goes out to people. I have friends that I know how they eat, I know how they take care of themselves, I know how it hurts. It hurts their self image, it hurts how they view the world, how people sees them change. It’s just sad, it’s a superficial world. But I’m not approaching it from that, I’m approaching it from truly a health issue. It impairs your quality of life. It impairs them what they can do. And also, going into older age with the issue really sets you back.

So we want to look at the solution, the truth, the real solution to this. We can’t just be dancing in the dark. The calorie burning is not going to happen while you have these metabolic disorders. You’re just going to have to work hard and people give up. They’ll do exactly what they’re told to do on a diet and it barely works. So the sacrifices that they have to make, they’re huge and you can only do that for so long until you’re going to give up. Come on, we’re humans.

DEBRA: We need to eat.

GENITA MASON: We’re not [inaudible 00:34:21] to do something regardless of what the input is.

DEBRA: Right. We need to go to break again. This is Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd. My guest today is Genita M. Mason, founder and medical director of the Biosanctuary Health Clinic and Retreat. You can go to her website, Biosanctuary.com and get her new book, Science of Losing Weight. It’s not in print yet, but if you buy it today, you’ll get a password so that you can get access to it online.

I’m looking at right now. it’s full of information. All the things that she’s talking about, she gives the solution, so you get all the understanding on how the toxic chemicals make your body not able to lose weight and to gain weight. All the solutions are there. So it’s Biosanctuary.com. We’ll be right back.

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DEBRA: You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd. My guest today is Genita M. Mason. She’s the founder and medical director of the Biosanctuary Health Clinic and Retreat. Currently, she’s in Costa Rica. Is your clinic now in Costa Rica or do you have other locations?

GENITA MASON: Yes, it is. That’s Dr. Thomas who I mentored with for five years now. He’s 74 years old. He’s been in service to others for 44 years and wishes to retire and made me his successor here. So I’m actually taking over the clinic here – the clinic, retreat and ecospa, a gorgeous place in Sta. Theresa to help him retire and there’s going to be changing of the guards.

I do practiced still in the States, but that is on a very specific timeline. I come in to do the 10-day retreat for people who simply cannot make it to Costa Rica. But it’s more fun and much more beautiful and enchanting here.

DEBRA: Yes!

GENITA MASON: You know, Debra, I know we don’t have much more time. I really want the solutions out there. I want to help people engage and tell them what they need to do and start looking at to start getting well.

DEBRA: That was exactly what I was going to say. I want to make sure that you tell people what they can find in your book with that regard and also about the 10-day intensive treatment cycle for the Science of Losing Weight. It’s beginning on February 10th. Go!

GENITA MASON: Sure, absolutely! Here’s what I’m giving away. What I want to see is just change the entire ground, folks losing weight globally, how people look at how to do this. I’m actually giving away in the book the entire solution. Well, I practice here at the clinic if people are handed here in the clinic. The only thing that ican’t do in the book is provide the individual part of the nutritional therapies and strategies, but there is foundational program here because a lot of people can’t even get their tests done before the come in. So we use a foundational protocol while we wait for the test, something to get more specific to their individual biochemistry.

But everything that I know that is causing weight gain and making it hard to lose is in the foundational protocol, which I share and process. It’s a 60-day strategy that I share in the book in the solution section. All the instructions are there, everything from your diet through your targeted nutritional therapies, what vitamins and minerals that you need to be taking, your smoothie in the morning, the juicing in the evening, the bug pillars, how to get rid of bacterial dysbiosis. That actually leads in to some of the solutions, what they need to start addressing.

And of course, it’s always best and I encourage even when they’re working on their own to get your lab work, which I tell in the solution section which labs to get.

So you want to eliminate small intestinal bacterial overgrowth – if it’s present, any fungus and mold. This, you want to look at, intestinal inflammation as well as inflammation elsewhere because that can be disrupting your neuroendocrine system and making it hard to lose weight.

DEBRA: Right.

GENITA MASON: You want to look at toxic gut syndrome. If you have a lot of mental fatigue, physical fatigue, you’re really depressed a lot, anxious a lot, you want to look at toxic gut syndrome because that also causes weight gain, but it’s an indicator that you’ve got some serious mitochondria issues going on.

You want to replace the helpful microbial gut flora and that’s with the use of probiotics and organic colostrum. You want to feed your mitochondria. The B vitamins, by the way, are consumed – many of them are consumed by gut bacteria. Do you know because gut bacteria is a living being, it has a diet? And its diet is actually get access to the nutrients before you do because it sit on the wall of the intestines. They consume these nutrients, so they never get a chance to get into your blood system.

DEBRA: Oh, I suddenly understood that just now when you said that. The mitochondria, which are not – I mean, not the mitochondria, but all these microorganisms, which are co-existing in our bodies with their separate organisms (they’re not our cells), they’re robbing our cells of the nutrition because they’re right there to eat it up right where we’re eating it, right where the food is coming down. They’re the first ones to get it and grab it and then there’s no nutrition for us.

GENITA MASON: And specifically for the mitochondria. The B vitamins, they love the B vitamins.

DEBRA: Oh, geez! I just never understood that before.

GENITA MASON: I love it when people get the aha especially someone like you, the queen of green who’s been asked this for how many years. I love it when I get to share an aha, something so cool!

DEBRA: Oh, my God! No wonder my body is not getting nutrition. We could be taking all these supplements and everything and…

GENITA MASON: You know what? You go get a Myer’s – here at the clinic, I provide Myer’s cocktails, which are intravenous IV’s in the 10-day program because I have to bypass the gut. To get the show going, I have to bypass the gut. While we heal the gut and get that working well, you just go in and get some Myer’s cocktail. We also do the intramusculars. I just say drench people with the B vitamins to wake up that mitochondria.

DEBRA: Wow!

GENITA MASON: You want to do liver, kidney, skin and lymph detox. It’s just general detox that we’re using – infrared sauna, a lot of ozone. I have my patients drinking ozone. That kills the anaerobic bad bacteria. It’s very specific. It’s beautiful. Ozone does not touch at all the healthy cells. It is very specific to anything that’s not supposed to be there.

DEBRA: Great!

GENITA MASON: I love the intelligence of the human body. I love it!

DEBRA: Yeah, I do too.

GENITA MASON: You want robust antioxidant support because of oxidative stress. It’s of course married to toxic assault. The antioxidant support will protect you from lots of exposures while you study yours and eliminate them. And of course, there’s radiation, chem. trails, fluorides, pesticides, VPA and particularly GMO detox and protection that you want to look at.

I give instructions in the book for all of this. It’s a 60-day program that is detailed in the book with the SIBO food phases (small intestinal bacterial overgrowth phases) because you want to eat foods that are easily digested in the small intestine, so they don’t drift down into the larger and sit around and make more bacteria for you.

Now, real quick before we sign off here because I know we’re getting close, I want to share with people that…

DEBRA: Four minutes, we have four minutes.

GENITA MASON: Okay. There’s a documentary that’s being done on this. I’m even trying to get the Environmental Working Group to get involved. There’s a documentary being done on this because this is a groundbreaking approach. The evidence-based, scientifically evidence-based approach to losing weight is groundbreaking. And also, it’s comprehensive as it is here in the way we practice the solution here in the clinic. We have phenomenal results here in ten days. I have a patient, I have a doctorate patient here right now. She’s only five days in. She came up to me yesterday. She’s British and she says, “Genita, I’ve lost an inch off of my waist!”

Anyway, it is groundbreaking. So what I’m offering because I want to get a big group in here. I want to get 10 people, which we’ve already got three sign-ups, but I want to get 10 people here to go through the 10-day program.

Now, this 10-day program that I provided, usually, it’s $5400. It’s accommodation, lab testing, it’s all included. Everything is included. The supplements for 30 days, the detox diet, the SIBO diet, the education, all the infrared sauna, the ozone therapy, the IV’s, it’s all included. You could see it on my website. But I’m actually offering this you have to sign releases that we can do all the interviews and show your before and after’s and everything. It’s just ten days. And then there’ll be a follow-up at 30 days. We’ll reach out to you at home.

So I’m offering this program for $3600 and that’s everything. That’s accommodations, everything for ten days to be in the weight loss program, The Science of Weight Loss for the documentary. So that’s a real big opportunity.

DEBRA: That is a big opportunity.

GENITA MASON: That will probably never happen again.

DEBRA: Yeah.

GENITA MASON: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, when you look at the therapies, I’m pulling a rabbit out of my hat, but that’s all I’ve been doing for 20 years.

DEBRA: What a great opportunity!

GENITA MASON: Pardon me?

DEBRA: It’s such a great opportunity.

GENITA MASON: Yeah, yeah. It absolutely is. And it sets the stage, it really locks you in. I had people call it the ‘5-star human carwash’ and that’s exactly what it is. You come in feeling however you feel, loaded down, fatigued, et cetera, et cetera and you leave literally with the consciousness of the ‘cosmic 3-year old’, I call it.

DEBRA: Yeah.

GENITA MASON: Life in its infancy again. When you’re in solution mode, when you find a solution and you see it actually working finally, it’s like a world that’s flat. This bowling ball just lifts off people’s soldiers and their whole consciousness and perspective shifts. There’s hope again. There’s joy again. You’re not loaded down with this monkey on your back. We don’t want to be there.

DEBRA: And it’s something…

GENITA MASON: Well, there’s one thing here that I do want you in my back, but…

DEBRA: You’re doing it all at once when you go do a program like that. You do it all at once and you see the big change, then it’s much easier to then come home and continue to do it than doing it in little bits and pieces over time.

GENITA MASON: Exactly! And because it is new information and a new approach for people, there’s a learning curve especially when you do it at home. It has to be your hobby base, that’s what I tell people. It’s a whole new hobby, learning the mechanics of this, following the program, making time for the mechanics of the program.

So when you come here and we engage you and you get into the rhythm and you get into the flow, the daily flows here…

DEBRA: I have to interrupt you just because we only have ten seconds left and I want to make sure that I give your website again. It’s Biosanctuary.com. Thank you so much for being with us. You can go to her website and find out more about the book, find out more about the program. You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd. Be well!

My guest today is Paul Jaminet, Ph.D., author of Perfect Health Diet: Regain Health and Lose Weight be Eating the Way You Were Meant to Eat (Scribner, 2012), editor-in-chief of the Journal of Evolution and Health, and blogger. He is also the creator of the Perfect Health Retreat, an opportunity to repair health and obtain a comprehensive education in the Perfect Health diet and lifestyle at a luxurious beachfront setting. These retreats are establishing the Perfect Health Diet as a spectacularly successful – and delicious – approach to health improvement. Paul became convinced of the importance of an ancestral approach to health when he overcame a chronic disease through diet and lifestyle. Prior to his discovery of ancestral health, Paul had been an astrophysicist at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics and a software entrepreneur. Paul continues to pursue research in economics and business strategy. www.perfecthealthdiet.com

 

 

TOXIC FREE TALK RADIO
The Best Diet for Perfect Health

Host: Debra Lynn Dadd
Guest: Paul Jaminet Ph.D.

Date of Broadcast: January 06, 2015

DEBRA: Hi, I’m Debra Lynn Dadd. This is Toxic Free Talk Radio where we talk about how to thrive in a toxic world and live toxic-free. Happy New Year! This is our first show of 2015. I’ve been off for a few weeks. I always take a little break over the winter. The quiet season of the year to rest and rejuvenate and make new plans for the following years. I have lots of plans for this year and I think you’ll be very happy with them.

[Coughing] Excuse me. I was just eating while I was listening to the news.

So my guest today is Paul – I’m hoping I’m saying this right and I’m sure he’ll tell us after he comes on – Paul Jaminet, Ph.D. He’s the author of the The Perfect Health Diet: Regain Health and Lose Weight by Eating the Way You Were Meant to Eat. Well, on the cover of his book at the very top, it says, “Paleo perfected!” It’s the quote from Vogue Magazine.

And as I’m looking through his diet, I haven’t tried it yet, but it’s very interesting to me because as some of you know if you’ve been listening or reading my website, I did the Paleo diet about a year ago, but it wasn’t quite right for me. And so I’m hoping today – well, I’m sure today that Paul will tell us about more scientific evidence of what we should be eating and why.

And this is very scientific in fact. This is not just a fad, what he’s talking about. He’s done the scientific research and has put together a whole program. He calls it an ancestral approach and this goes back to eating the foods that our bodies are really designed to eat.

So without further adieu, let’s just bring on Paul and he’ll tell us all about it. Hi, Paul!

PAUL JAMINET: Hi, Debra. It’s great to be with you.

DEBRA: Thank you. And how do you say your name?

PAUL JAMINET: Oh, you pronounced it perfectly, Paul Jaminet.

DEBRA: Thank you. Okay, I was guessing. Anyway, tell us how did you become interested in this diet? What prompted you to do this research and put this together?

PAUL JAMINET: Well, like a lot of people in middle age, I started having some health problems. And in my case, I have had some health problems actually since birth. I was in and out of the hospital with chronic ear infection as a young child. Those infections actually kind of persisted, but they became very severe after I had a long course of antibiotics for acne and [inaudible 00:03:38]. And after that, I just started going downhill every year. I started really getting worried for my health. I felt like I was getting Alzheimer’s in my thirties and forties.

So at one point, about ten years ago, I found the Paleo diet and that was the first thing I tried that made a difference in my symptoms. It’s like, “Oh, this proves diet is really important and I should investigate this and figure out how to become healthy.”

So that started a long course of research. I had some problems on Paleo. You mentioned in the introduction that you might have had some problems too. I knew it was an imperfect diet (at least the way I was implementing it), but it’s been promising enough that it could be a starting point for figuring out how to make it better.

DEBRA: That was my conclusion too, yeah. So I’m really interested in what you have to say. I’ve been kind of tweaking my Paleo diet without having done the research that you’ve done, so I’m really interested in what you’re going to tell us.

PAUL JAMINET: Yeah. Well, what I found was after I adopted the Paleo diet, some symptoms improved, but then I started developing clear signs of nutritional deficiencies. I found I needed more carbohydrates than I’d originally implemented the diet with. I also found I developed a vitamin C deficiency and I had symptoms of scurvy. I would have little scratch wounds that wouldn’t heal for six months. When I took vitamin C’s, they finally healed.

So I realized that the diet as I was eating it was missing some nutrition. That gave me the idea, “I’ll just research all the nutrients, all the known nutrients and figure out how much we need, find the foods that deliver those nutrients and then I’ll construct a natural whole foods diet.” That’s why we call it ‘ancestral’. We eat the kinds of foods that our ancestors could’ve eaten before they had a lot of modern technology and chemistry and food science.

So it’s like a hunter/gatherer diet, natural plants and animal, but we’re tweaking the proportions so that we optimize nutrition. We’re including some very nutrient-dense food like egg yolks or liver or bones fat or soup. It took us seven years of research to really get our diet right. But then we found, my wife and I both cured our chronic health problems. When we started a blog and published our book, we’ve had several thousand readers report that their health problems cleared up on our diet.

And so, that really proved to us that it really works. And in fact, when we wrote the book, we knew that it would work for others because it just made so much sense that if you nourish your body properly, then that will greatly improve your body’s ability to deal with almost any health challenge.

DEBRA: I completely agree with that statement. And as I’ve said many times, a large part of our health problems is because we – well, first of all, because we’re exposed to toxic chemicals. But also, because we’re exposed to toxic chemicals, we need more nutrition for our bodies to deal with that. And instead of getting more nutrition, we’re getting less nutrition by eating processed foods.

I’ve done a lot of research on Paleo because I was eating a Paleo diet and I thought that it made sense to go back to our original foods. And for a long time – oh, I can’t even tell you how many years – years ago, I had this idea – I know! In 1987, I got to a point where I said, “Well, I just need to look at nature and what does nature do. Let’s just use nature as the model.” And the first thing was that instead of eating industrial processed foods, to just eat foods that would be in my natural environment locally and seasonally. So that doesn’t take us back in time, but at least it takes us back to nature.

And so I illuminated a lot of these things a long time ago. But the thing that’s missing when I look at a lot of Paleo websites is that they give you lists of foods, but they don’t tell you as you are talking about the proportions. And so people, they look and they say, “Well, I can have chocolate on the Paleo diet” and so they eat a lot of chocolate instead of a lot of nutritious foods or they eat bacon for every meal or they just pick something and they eat their favorite foods off the list instead of considering what the nutritional aspects, so I’m really interested in hearing this.

So we have just a couple of minutes before break and I want to make sure that you have plenty of time to start explaining this. So let me just introduce. If you go to Paul’s website (because this is what we’re going to start talking about after the break), if you go to Paul’s website, which is PerfectHealthDiet.com, there’s a link there in the menu, it’s called ‘The Diet’ (it’s the second link), it has a wonderful diagram that you could just print out and put on your refrigerator door – oh, there’s chocolate right at the top!

PAUL JAMINET: We’re actually one of those that approve of chocolate – at least 85%, not too sugary chocolate.

DEBRA: Yeah. Well, anyway, there’s a beautiful drawing that shows the proportions of how to eat different groups of food and a very nice list of what to eat and what not to eat. We’re going to be discussing that when we come back after the break.

Let me just prepare you how I prepare my chocolate because I don’t eat chocolate bars with any kind of sugar in it. I started a number of years ago trying to figure out the perfect way to eat chocolate and I’ve gone through many evolutions. What I do now is I have organic cocoa powder and I mix it with date sugar. And then I put in coconut butter. For those of you who don’t know, that’s the whole coconut meat ground up like peanut butter or a nut butter, so it includes the fiber and oil. And then I mix it with grass-fed cream. It’s very delicious and very nutritious.

We do need to go to break now. And when we come back, Paul is going to tell us about his Perfect Health Diet. We’ll be right back.

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DEBRA: You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd. My guest today is Paul Jaminet, Ph.D., author of the Perfect Health Diet. And now, we’re going to hear all about the diet. I actually love the way this diet looks.

So why don’t you tell us about the diet first and then I’ll ask my questions?

PAUL JAMINET: Okay! Well, like I said, we’re an ancestral diet, a natural whole food diet. And probably the best way to understand our diet in a moment is we sometimes call it an example of ‘ancestral gourmet cuisine’ because it very closely resembles the proportions and the flavors that you would find in the very highest end restaurant like classic French restaurant or a very high-end Chinese or Thai restaurant. Those are pretty much the proportions of the food. It’s very delicious. It’s very satisfying.

We really didn’t expect that when we were developing the diet. We developed them just to be as nutritious and as optimal for health as we could. But then we realize after we were done and it resembled gourmet cuisine that that really makes sense because our brains must have evolved a liking for healthful food to try to encourage us to get the nutrition that we need. So it’s a very delicious diet. It resembles food from expensive restaurants, but it’s actually very easy to prepare at home.

The graphic design that you mentioned on our website on ‘The Diet’ page is in the shape of a yin-yang apple. So the apple represents health…

DEBRA: Yes, I noticed that, yeah.

PAUL JAMINET: Yeah. And the yin-yang symbol represents balance. So that’s partly a balance between plant and animal foods. The Paleo community tended to deprecate plant foods and discouraged eating carbohydrate and we want to emphasize you need both, plant and animal foods for best health.

It also represents balance between east and west. My wife is of Chinese descent. There are elements of Chinese and American, European cuisine. There are many different ways to implement the Perfect Health Diet. You can do it both ways, but it’s actually good to implement some of each.

So for instance, we recommend flavoring foods with fats and oil, with some of the classic cooking accents like lyme juice, vinegar and with Umami flavors like grated eggs cheese, like tamari sauce, like fish sauce. You can sample from a lot of the world’s cuisine and Umami flavors are much more popular in Asia than in America, but they’re good for you.

So when you put everything together, our diet ends up being about three-quarters plant food, one quarter animal food. But most of the calories come from the animals. So a lot of plant foods are very low in calories. It’s a very fiber-rich diet.

For instance, we recommend eating about a pound of starches a day, things like potatoes or white rice. We recommend cooking them and then refrigerating them for a day, which increase the amount of fiber and makes them more healthful.

DEBRA: Ah! I didn’t know that. Wow! Say that again, say that again. The starches, you cook them in advance and then refrigerate?

PAUL JAMINET: Right! So we’ll cook enough starches for maybe three days, the next three days. We’ll cook them in the evening after we’re done eating usually. And then put them in the refrigerator. We usually cook them in a pressure cooker and then refrigerate them. And then we’ll just pull them out as we need them for meals for the next several days.

As you cook the starches and then refrigerate them, the cooking largely eliminates the fiber, but then when you refrigerate them, the starch re-gelatinizes into a form that’s difficult for us to digest, but is very beneficial to gut bacteria.

There’s a lot of evidence that eating starches that you cooked and then refrigerated that way is very beneficial to the health or the gut microbiom.

Our diet is also rich in fruits and vegetables, which are good for the gut microbiom. The standard cooking assets like lemon juice, lime juice and vinegar, those are good for the gut microbiom. A lot of the classic spices that are used for cooking are good for the gut microbiom. Even drinks like coffee, tea and cocoa like you mentioned are good for the gut. They have polyphenols and other compounds that are beneficial for our gut microbiom.

So there’s a lot of – you know, one thing that distinguishes us from the Paleo diet or other forms of ancestral diet is that there are many, many factors in food which informs our health. We try to optimize everything. That’s why we chose the name ‘Perfect Health Diet’. We’re really looking at hundreds of factors that influence health like all the known nutrients and like the nutrients not only for us, but for our gut microbes and trying to get the proportions exactly right.

We also emphasize lifestyle elements like [inaudible 00:19:56]. That also, in turns out, influences health.

We work hard to make everything practical to live. So my wife and I are working on a cookbook right now with practical advice. We’ve learned how to implement this ourselves in 30 minutes a day (or less) work.

DEBRA: Great!

PAUL JAMINET: We can cook very efficiently. We cook once a day for thirty minutes and we make enough food for three meals.

One nice thing is on our diet, you can very easily repackage leftovers to make a nutritious meals that taste quite different from the meal you originally cooked, but is still very satisfying and healthful.

So there’s a lot of good science to our diet. Now, when we go out to restaurants, it’s very difficult to find a restaurant that can serve a meal as good as our own meal, the home cooked meals we have every night.

DEBRA: I find that true for me too, yeah. We need to go to break again, but we’ll talk about the diet when we come back. You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd. My guest today is Paul Jaminet. He’s the author of the Perfect Health Diet. Go on over to his website, PerfectHealthDiet.com. At the top, on the menu, there’s a tab that says ‘The Diet’ and there you’ll find this diagram that we’ve been talking about and it lists all the proportions and everything you can eat on this diet. We’ll be talking about it more when we come back. We’ll be right back.

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DEBRA: You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd. My guest today is Paul Jaminet who’s the author of the book, Perfect Health Diet: How to Regain Health and Lose Weight by Eating the Way You Were Meant to Eat. We’ve been talking about the diet as outlined on his website at PerfectHealthDiet.com. He’s got a great picture. If you just go to the page that says ‘The Diet’, he’s got a diagram in the form of a yin-yang apple that shows the balance of the foods. It’s a great reminder. You can just print it out and put it on your refrigerator and it will remind you what to eat.

Okay! So now, I’m going to ask you my questions. I know that for me, the problem I had with the Paleo Diet was that it was too much protein and vegetables, that actually, if I eat too much protein, I end up having gout attacks. I ended up after a few months on the Paleo diet having two months of gout. I had three gout attacks back to back. I thought, “This is not going to work for me.”

But I also found that for me, I wanted to eat more carbohydrates, yes and I need a little bit of fruit. And what I added back in was legumes, which is on your ‘do not eat’ list. And the reason that I added them – but what I want to eat is sweet potatoes. I want to eat sweet potatoes and I want to eat potatoes. I don’t because of blood sugar.

And so how could somebody who is – like I’ve been on a low carb diet for years because of blood sugar. And so I have all this big, “Don’t eat these starches.” So what would you say to somebody like me?

PAUL JAMINET: Okay! Well, yeah, all of those are very common issues. And so the reason you got gout on a high protein diet is that when you’re burning proteins for energy (which isn’t really a good thing to do), you’re releasing all these nitrogen. That gets processed in the liver, the urea, which makes your urine smell – you know that classic urine smell. But if the liver can’t make enough urea, then it makes uric acid, which gives you gout or kidney stones or gallstones or things like that.

And so you definitely don’t want to overeat protein. We recommend getting about 15% of calories from protein and that’s about what most people normally do. So for most people, they want to increase their meat consumption relative to their normal diet.

And then the other issues, the blood sugar, well, there are two aspects to that. One is the post-meal blood sugar and the other one is the fasting blood glucose. If you’re prediabtic or diabetic, then you’ll get elevated fasting glucose. And for both of those, it can actually be beneficial to eat some starches.

That helps in several ways. One is the resistance starch really helps your gut microbiom and the things that the gut microbes make for you help improve your metabolic function and help you to handle or control your blood glucose better. So being [inaudible 00:30:31] in resistant starch fiber.

Now, they also have some compounds that are toxic for your digestive tract function. And if you soak them and then cook them for a long time, then you’ll destroy those and there will be a healthful food.

DEBRA: Yeah, that’s what I thought.

PAUL JAMINET: So that’s fine. If you’re willing to take the time to prepare them properly, then you can include beans in your diet. But it’s not really necessary for health and if you have less time, then it’s perfectly fine to do what potatoes, white rice, sweet potatoes. The key is (like I said before the break) just cook them in advance and then refrigerate them. And then you’ll get a similar amount of fiber as what the beans have. So you’ll get the same benefits that the beans do.

DEBRA: So let me ask you a question before I forget. So then after you refrigerate the rice or the potatoes, can you then warm them back up again.

PAUL JAMINET: Yeah, warm them say on a microwave.

DEBRA: I don’t use a microwave.

PAUL JAMINET: So long as we cook them, don’t put them in boiling water, you can make them comfortable to eat.

DEBRA: Okay! So I don’t use a microwave, but I could just like steam them a little bit or sautee them or something?

PAUL JAMINET: Yeah, something to warm them up a little and make them at an enjoyable temperature to eat.

DEBRA: Yeah, yeah. But you could eat something like one of my favorite things, potato salad. That would be a cold potato. That would be really good. That would have a lot of fiber in it.

PAUL JAMINET: Yeah, exactly.

DEBRA: Yeah! So then I also wanted to ask you why white rice instead of brown rice?

PAUL JAMINET: Well, the general problem with the cereal grains and legumes is that they’re all grassland, above ground seeds. They were always getting eaten by herbivores, so things like cows and horses and so on. And so they evolve these poisons that suppress mammalian digestion. And in cereal grains, those are mostly on the bran. We don’t want to eat too many of those. That’s why we eat the [inaudible 00:33:00], the cereal grains and the beans unless you can prepare them in a way that eliminates the toxin.

In white rice, it turns out, first of all, most of those toxins are in the bran. So when they melt the brown off the white rice, they’re eliminating most of them. And then the rest are destroyed in cooking. So white rice is basically a toxin-free choice of starch. It’s similar to potatoes and the other in-ground starches, which are helpful with normal cooking. They don’t need any special operation.

So that’s the reason we recommend white rice. There is a little bit of nutrition on the bran, but actually, there are many other sources you can get those nutrients form. So there really isn’t much benefit to eating the bran. The bran in other cereal grains is the major source of gluten, which gives some people health problems.

Yeah, so different people would react with different intensity to some of the compounds in the bran of the cereal grains. But it can be really hard to tell if you’re sensitive. You can have low level inflammation and not really notice. But it could be taking the uric [inaudible 00:34:37] or giving you a higher chance of developing cancer. So we sort of take the safe approach. It’s better to not eat those things in quantity.

DEBRA: Right, right. We need to go to break. You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd. My guest today is Paul Jaminet. You can go to his website, PerfectHealthDiet.com where he has all outlined for you very nicely and even some recipes, which we’re going to talk about when we come back.

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DEBRA: You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd. My guest today is Paul Jaminet. He’s the author of the The Perfect Health Diet: Regain Health and Lose Weight by Eating the Way You Were Meant to Eat.

Let’s see, what did I want to ask you about – recipes, recipes. Oh, I know what I want to ask you first. What are you eating today, breakfast and dinner?

PAUL JAMINET: Well, I do intermittent fasting. So I generally just don’t eat until maybe 1 p.m. or so. So I haven’t eaten yet apart from…

DEBRA: Ooh, what did you eat yesterday? What did you eat yesterday?

PAUL JAMINET: I had black coffee in the morning. And then for lunch I have leftovers. I basically re-arrange whatever leftovers we have in the refrigerator and I make [inaudible 00:39:50].

DEBRA: And what is that?

PAUL JAMINET: Well, that’s a classic Korean dish that means ‘leftover’. And also, what I do is I put a starch, usually potatoes or white rice. I put in some vegetable. I put in a sweet blend. Sometimes, it’s fruit. Yesterday, it was beet. I put in three egg yolks, which is one of our recommended nutrient-dense foods that we eat regularly. I put in a little bit of leftover beef stew that we had. So that included some tendons as well as meat and a bunch of vegetables like carrots and so on.

I put in a little bit of fish sauce, a little bit of rice vinegar. Those are the Umami and asset flavoring that we recommend. Just a touch of coconut meal. I warmed it up in the microwave.

DEBRA: It sounds delicious, but what did you have for dinner?

PAUL JAMINET: For dinner, I think we made Pad Thai last night. We also have some leftovers. We’ll actually snack on some cheese and rice crackers when my wife gets home from work and while we’re preparing dinner.

So it’s good to try to do most of your eating in the afternoon. So we do a lot of our cooking in the evening when she gets home, but we actually only kind of sample it and have a light dinner. Most of what we make, we eat as leftovers the next day or the next several days.

DEBRA: Yeah, I do that too. When I make things – I have more time to cook on the weekends than I do during the week. And one of the tricks that I found is very helpful to me staying on eating healthful food is to have enough food already prepared that I can just take out of the refrigerator and eat or warm up quickly. I have a little toaster oven that warms it up in three minutes.

And then I don’t have to think about, “Well, now what am I going to eat?” and go get even takeout from te natural food store (it has things in it that I don’t want to eat.” Having the food on-hand, knowing what it is that you’re going to eat, preparing it in advance and then having it there at a meal time, so no matter how busy you are, if you have time for a snack in the afternoon, that you have food there. It’s the no. 1 thing that I think helps people stay on an eating plan, whatever it is. And so I’m a big fan of leftovers.

PAUL JAMINET: Yeah. It’s no fun to cook if you’re really hungry and you tend to not make cheese in time and not make as good food as you should. It’s much better if you can enjoy some cheese and crackers and wine while you’re cooking.

My wife takes two lunches to work. She has her first lunch at about noon and her second lunch at about four. So she’s had most of her food, she’s not that hungry when she gets home. We can have a little extra cheese and crackers and just snack and sample on the first we cook dinner when it’s fun. And then, put it away for leftovers for tomorrow.

DEBRA: You know, one of the things that’s been really a challenge for me is not having starches, to not eat rice for so many years because I was on a low carb diet. It has just been extremely difficult to be able to do a lot of things like crackers, for example. I would love to have cheese and cracker. And so to add rice back into my diet and see how that goes, that would give me rice crackers, rice flour, rice noodles, just all these things that you can make with rice.

So I’m going to try this and see what happens.

PAUL JAMINET: Great! That’s good.

DEBRA: Yeah, because it seems to me that it overall makes sense and that instead of looking at individual symptoms, that if I would just try the diet as an overall good diet, that some of the symptoms might just handle on their own.

PAUL JAMINET: Yeah. Yeah.

DEBRA: Yeah, yeah. So is there a particular reason to use egg yolks only and not eat the egg whites or you’re just trying to get it dense?

PAUL JAMINET: Well, all the nutrition is in the yolk. The whites are basically pure protein. If you get your protein from meat or fish, which is what we recommend, then you’ll get a lot of micronutrients with the protein. You don’t really want to eat protein powders or pure protein, things like egg white. You want to get your protein with lots of other nutritious food compound.

And the other aspect with eggs is that it’s possible to develop a sensitivity to egg. We don’t want that to happen because egg yolks are so nutritious and so good for you. It turns out, the allergenic and immunogenic protein, most of them, 80% to 90% are in the white, not the yolks. So if you discard the white, you get rid of the 80% to 90% of the potential immunogens right there.

And then if you mix the egg yolks with food and cook them a little, then the proteins that are in the yolk becomes much more indigestible. So even if you have a sensitivity, you can reduce your reaction by about 99% just by simply discarding the white, mixing the yolk with food and cooking them. You’ll also greatly decreases the risk that you’ll ever develop egg sensitivity.

So that’s basically the reason you discard the white. You don’t need to. If you like whole eggs, you can eat whole eggs. But your risk of developing a sensitivity goes up.

DEBRA: Interesting. I look at what is commonly promoted as being healthy. And so somebody who were eating egg white omelets and bran, according to your viewpoint, that would exactly the wrong thing to eat.

PAUL JAMINET: Yeah, that’s right. I think there has been a lot of misinformation and a lot of randomness in how people eat and what they think is good. It’s kind of remarkable because if you went back a hundred years, there wasn’t the same confusion about how to eat. But now, we have many more choices and it’s much easier to go astray.

DEBRA: The other night, I was eating crackers made from rice flour and almonds with butter on top. And it was just like exactly the thing that I wanted to eat, but I was thinking, “Oh, rice! I shouldn’t be eating it, but this is what my body wants to eat” and I was doing exactly the right thing.

PAUL JAMINET: Yeah. Well, you should trust your body, trust its desire. It has your best interest at heart.

DEBRA: Yeah, as long as you are trusting…

PAUL JAMINET: As long as you’re eating natural whole food.

DEBRA: Yeah, yeah. I was going to say as long as you’re really trusting your body and not you’re having cravings of what you think you want to eat. You’re probably not craving – I was going to say chocolate cake, but chocolate’s okay. It’s just the cake part. You don’t want to eat wheat and things like that.

But I think there’s such a thing called instinctive nutrition where your body wants certain things and then you’ll want them just because you’re missing out on those nutrients or whatever. So it is good to do that.

We only have about a minute and a half left. So I just want to make sure that if there’s anything that you haven’t said, that I give you a little time to just kind of wrap up.

PAUL JAMINET: Okay. You know, I’d love to tell your listeners a little bit about our health retreat. My wife and I, I mentioned we’ve had several thousand reader success stories, people who cured their health problems on our diet. We wanted to figure out a way to prove scientifically.

No one in the same Perfect community gives much credence to anecdotes because you hear about the good stories, but you don’t certainly hear about people who had a bad time on the diet and gave it up. So you really want to have something that’s more like you see everything that happens, both the good and the bad if there’s any bad.

We were convinced that our diet would really help a lot of people and cure a lot of diseases and we decided to start a health retreat business where people could come for a week and we provide all the food, we provide the environment, we provide the exercise program. We teach every aspect of how to be healthy.

DEBRA: I need to interrupt just because we’re coming up very close to the end of the show. So people can find out more if they go to your website, PerfectHealthDiet.com. Thank you so much for being with me. It’s very interesting and I’m going to give your diet a try. You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd and I’ll be back tomorrow. Be well.